Dr. Maddkap, WerepsychologistI’m rewatching old Star Trek episodes to see which ones pass the B’kdel Test:
(1) Two named Klingons
(2) Talking to each other
(3) About something other than honor
(1) Two named Klingons
(2) Talking to each other
(3) About something other than honor
Axomamma, Antifa from birth@drmaddkap I've been listening to the audiobook of "The Expanse." It's absolutely rotten with misogyny and fails the Bechdel test so thoroughly, I'm astonished that it was made into a TV series - much less twice! Whoever gave it the green light hates women and never matured past the fifth grade. It's shocking that even in a past as remote as 2012-2017, this book series was published. No surprise at all that it won a Hugo, an award that should warn off any intelligent person.
Cat C-B@Axomamma @drmaddkap well, _this_ feminist finds that to be a particularly hot take, but thank you for that.
The women in The Expanse are fully realized, fearless, and three dimensional, and some—notably Bobbie the Martian Marine and Naomi, who winds up leading the entire resistance movement—are among the most memorable women in fiction.
Yeah, they pass the Bechdel test, but that’s almost beside the point, given the thematic critiques of racism & sexism.
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@megmuttonhead Are you kidding? The whole thing with Naomi? Where Holden will simply not leave her alone? Doesn't get that she's not interested and tries to relentlessly get her to change her mind simply by whining in her direction? And let's talk about Miller's "love interest" - Julie Mao, "the poor little rich girl" - who is consistently referred to in the most disrespectful and demeaning way. If those are "fully realized, fearless and three dimensional women" ... jesusfuckingchrist.
@Axomamma Yes, Holden begins the series as—to put it bluntly—an asshole. Not only Naomi’s response to him but the ENTIRE SERIES is about a privileged white guy—Holden—fucking up, because he’s arrogant and clueless—and LEARNING BETTER.
Like, it’s not even subtle.
In the books. Which is one reason that, despite the excellent work of the actors, the TV show was so disappointing. (Of course a major TV show had to lose that part of the story. Alas.)
@megmuttonhead Holden is an asshole throughout. He is incapable of accepting "no." Those points are the only time she is in the story.
@Axomamma oh,dear. I’m afraid you didn’t read very carefully. I’m not going to write an essay explaining why, but I do not think any careful reader would draw the simplistic conclusions you have.
As in, the authors are fully aware of Holden’s problematic behaviors…and they challenge those behaviors in the text.
You seem to have believed the authors did not see Holden’s arrogance and privilege, but rather share it. And… no careful reader could believe that.