Dr. Maddkap, WerepsychologistI’m rewatching old Star Trek episodes to see which ones pass the B’kdel Test:
(1) Two named Klingons
(2) Talking to each other
(3) About something other than honor
(1) Two named Klingons
(2) Talking to each other
(3) About something other than honor
Axomamma, Antifa from birth@drmaddkap I've been listening to the audiobook of "The Expanse." It's absolutely rotten with misogyny and fails the Bechdel test so thoroughly, I'm astonished that it was made into a TV series - much less twice! Whoever gave it the green light hates women and never matured past the fifth grade. It's shocking that even in a past as remote as 2012-2017, this book series was published. No surprise at all that it won a Hugo, an award that should warn off any intelligent person.
Cat C-B@Axomamma @drmaddkap well, _this_ feminist finds that to be a particularly hot take, but thank you for that.
The women in The Expanse are fully realized, fearless, and three dimensional, and some—notably Bobbie the Martian Marine and Naomi, who winds up leading the entire resistance movement—are among the most memorable women in fiction.
Yeah, they pass the Bechdel test, but that’s almost beside the point, given the thematic critiques of racism & sexism.
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@megmuttonhead Are you kidding? The whole thing with Naomi? Where Holden will simply not leave her alone? Doesn't get that she's not interested and tries to relentlessly get her to change her mind simply by whining in her direction? And let's talk about Miller's "love interest" - Julie Mao, "the poor little rich girl" - who is consistently referred to in the most disrespectful and demeaning way. If those are "fully realized, fearless and three dimensional women" ... jesusfuckingchrist.
@megmuttonhead How does it even remotely pass the Bechdel test? Because they're talked about endlessly by men who just want to fuck them both?
Yeah, I'm sorry, that is utter bullshit.
@megmuttonhead "thematic critiques of racism & sexism"
You have to be kidding. It's not a "critique," it's a guidebook to how to be an absolute creep.
@Axomamma either we read entirely different book series, or one of us had difficulty with the text.
I’m sure you believe it was me; I’m afraid I disagree.
Having read the whole series several times, as opposed to listening once to an audiobook—nothing wrong with audiobooks, but they’re harder to reread and review—I think I’ll keep trusting my opinion as better informed than yours.
Other readers can judge for themselves.
@megmuttonhead One woman is only present as Miller's imaginings, the other is only present when Holden wants her to give him something she is unwilling to give. How do you miss that?
Nils Liquidfire@Axomamma @megmuttonhead I guess you also read about a different Bechdel test. How are the things men talk about even remotely relevant to the Bechdel test?