Peter Link'No Kings!' 8 Million Rally Against Trump in Largest Single-Day Protest in US History | Common Dreams
GuyFawkesVLast year many articles were saying that if the protests hit 3% of the population Trump was done. Welp it’s happened, so what does his exit look like?
Otherwise this is performative bullshit while we need hard action.
“B-but it takes so much time and effort!! Don’t worry we’ll be able to do something after 5 more years of doing this once every 6-12 months on the weekends when businesses are closed.”
If you think No Kings is the only resistance work happening right now in the U.S., you’re really not paying attention.
__反いじめ戦隊Nah it’ll just be like “The day the world said no to war” which is often held as a massive achievement in nonviolent protesting despite it accomplished fuck all.
Yes. And yes. Here’s one example of resistance work in the U.S. resulting in concrete wins: Avelo Airlines used to run deportation flights for ICE. They were on the receiving end of an escalating pressure campaign from resistance groups to end those flights. And guess what? They finally did.
I don’t have SimpleX. The best resistance groups to join are probably ones local to wherever you’re located. See this comment for ideas on how to find them. But here are some examples of local efforts.
Thanks.
Seems these groups are not clear what more steps are necessary for Nazi liberation.
Each group is working on their own steps for this. And honestly that’s the strength of the resistance movement—it’s distributed, not top-down. Some groups will fail, but some will succeed. And “success” doesn’t mean that a group takes some action and instantly Trump is out of office and all of his cronies are behind bars. It means that a single win is achieved that gets us closer to that goal and puts ever-widening cracks in the regime’s pillars of support. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
This is a marathon, not a sprint.
That’s not how the Nazis in power see this, and ultimately why your slow marathon will leave you with none to save, nothing to eat.
Urgency is paramount to any successful revolution.
Americans don’t have that urgency to respond to crisis.
Tis why you’re failing to even form concrete demands.
Until the urgency to survive isn’t ingrained in your movement, your parties will be subdued, bomb, and deathcamped.
I didn’t say there wasn’t any urgency. It’s just that nonviolent resistance movements work by putting successive cracks in the regime’s pillars of support—until ultimately the whole regime crumbles. And that necessarily takes time.
I agree with you that many Americans don’t feel the urgency to respond to this crisis. But the number and variety of folks who do feel urgency is increasing over time, what with the growing desperate insanity of the regime. Just look at all the folks from all walks of life joining the resistance in Minnesota. Or the ever-increasing number of everyday people coming out for each No Kings. Many Americans are head-in-the-sand, but their numbers are decreasing over time.
Where we disagree is around concrete demands. Resistance groups have made concrete demands against Avelo, Disney, Sinclair, and so on. And all of them have buckled under the pressure and acceded to the demands. And in many other cases, concrete demands are being made even when the pressure hasn’t quite worked—yet.
nonviolent resistance movements work by putting successive cracks in the regime’s pillars of support
Like tiktok dances?
Lit.
What other NVRM work against Nazi genocide?
Please go back and read the rest of this thread. I’ve included links to find out more about groups working on that. But just one example is multiple cities and counties that, under direct pressure from their citizens, have passed ordinances prohibiting detention centers in their jurisdictions.
So you believe neighbor watches, barricades, and ordinances will put successive cracks in the Nazi’s active genocides?
Yes, those are pieces of of the whole. No single one of those is sufficient by itself, but combined with all the other resistance efforts going on, they will accumulate enough pressure to make the regime topple.
regime
It’s the popularly elected government, that’s been planned for for decades.
Enjoy the genocide you elected for.
3% 320 million is like 9.6 million. I guess they needed another 1.6 million people before the world changes for them.
I’ve been using 3.5% of 335,000,000 million, which is 11,725,000. Figure 12,000,000.
This No Kings was about 8 million, which was bigger than last time. There are also millions of people at home that are committed to the end of MAGA, but won’t go to a protest.
We hit that 3.5% of committed resistance long ago.
I could be wrong but I think the 3.5% protest observations assumes but doesn’t count non-participatory support. So the 3.5% is meant as the number in the streets with some much higher percentage of ‘quiet’ support.
Valid. I’m sure they want that 3.5% in the streets so they can unequivocally claim a Tipping Point (although a Tipping Point is NEVER guaranteed, just possible). No Kings participants want to play down the non-patricipants as not being committed enough, but for many, it simply isn’t possible, due to age, physical limitations, distance, anxiety, etc.
But that doesn’t mean they aren’t just as outraged, and just as committed, and those silent voices of outrage fuel the fire BETWEEN No Kings Rallies. And when the No Kings Rallies are happening, it’s important to acknowledge that the number is much, much higher, meaning those in the streets have an enormous block of silent power behind them. We need to make MAGA understand that as big as those growing crowds are, they are dwarfed by the angry Citizens at home. We need to make them very, very frightened of us.
RhoeriiWe need to make MAGA understand that as big as those growing crowds are, they are dwarfed by the angry Citizens at home.
You mean the same angry citizens that voted Trump in or didn’t vote at all? lol Dude, even if fucking 4% of he population agreed and showed up, that’s still 96% of people not going out and supporting you.
You’re on Lemmy, so you think you see a huge upswelling. Dude, Lemmy is less that even 1/2 of 1/2 percent of the population.
What do you think is being accomplished by these protests. It hardly even made the news this time around. lol So what, one or two articles on apnews, and cnn or any paper. one fucking article on their whole site?
No one cares what you are doing. Regardless of what Lemmy wants you to think. over 90% of the population doesn’t even want to be involved. What do you think is gonna happen.
Every fucking time I have seen a protest or a luigi thing happening, Lemmy shakes with glee and says, “This is it! It’s coming! Time for the Rich to be Eaten!!!”
Annnnndddd nothing has happened. lmao Nothing. Not one change. You all are fucking talking about holding signs in the middle of downtown on a fucking saturday. What the actual fuck do you think that had done?
Want change? Vote. You’re fucking protests are a joke. People literally laugh about you guys out there. Fucking lemmy…
Check out this dork. No use trying to explain anything to a virtuosically ignorant MAGA troll. Anyone who is still on board is just a corrupt, treasonous, racist, ignorant, incompetent, pedophile, completely locked into the concept of “Don’t bother me with facts, my mind is made up.”
Not to take anything away from your primary point, but I’d like a moment to appreciate the phrase
virtuosically ignorant MAGA troll
This is descriptive perfection.
The guy deleted his comment, so I officially won. I find that not engaging their idiotic assertions, and just talking about their stupidity right in front of them is the best response. I just talk to the audience ABOUT them.
I’ve had them keep responding with increasing anger, and I never address them, I just keep making fun of them to the general audience. One guy deleted his entire account.
Bullying MAGA is the only acceptable form of bullying. Pedophile Traitors don’t deserve respect.
In the rare moment I mock a person directly, I usually just do it to their faces; it literally never occurred to me to do the near-miss. Good plan – and I agree, traitors don’t deserve respect.
There are also millions of people at home that are committed to the end of MAGA, but won’t go to a protest.
What are they doing, besides complaining about it?
What are they doing, besides complaining about it?
What is a protest but a whole lot of people gathering to “complain about it?” Nothing actually gets done, nothing is decided, nothing changes. You just let the other side know how you feel. If all the Left has is No Kings, then we’ve already lost. No Kings is a DEMONSTRATION of our numbers, it is not a solution in itself. It’s only meant to scare them with our increasing strength.
Non-protesters are home doing doing the exact same things that No Kings protesters are doing when they’re not at a quarterly No Kings protest. They are keeping up with what’s going on, speaking out every day, in every way possible, posting on line, engaging their family, friends, and co-workers in conversations, spreading the word, giving people alternate information from the Conservative Propaganda Machine, making people understand that they aren’t alone, contacting their elected representatives, etc.
You’d better hope that there are a LOT more committed supporters staying in their homes, because if all the Dems had was No Kings protesters to vote for them, then the election would be 2% Dem, and 98% MAGA.
Is there any effort at the No Kings protests to encourage people to get armed and trained to protect their communities should the need arise?
Militias and Firearms are enshrined in the constitution—it doesn’t need to be a right only thing.
wp:Demographics of the United States
Increase 341,784,857 (2025 official estimate)[1]
331,449,281 (2020 census)[2]
Density Increase 96.8/sq mi (37.4/km2)
3% of 341 million is 10.23 million; but yeah, it seems to be growing.
ClassStruggleThe mythical 3.5% rule is to keep protests peaceful, which only helps the oppresser
I read the entire thing when it came out. And it read like bullshit propaganda to keep people from rising up and threatening the existence of the status quo
and your alternative to confronting the US police, military, and the several 10s of million who voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024—and I suppose at least half of those who voted for Dubya—is …,?
It needs a trifecta. Protests, Politics, and “Persuasion”.
The protests give weight to the political group. They also give cover and a place to organise for harder actions.
The political elements act to focus the will of the protestors, and provide guidance to the agitators.
The “Persuasion” group add teeth to the political demands. They also act to defend the protestors, when the government gets aggressive.
The 3 need to work together to achieve major changes. “The Troubles”, in northern island are a good example. The IRA didn’t achieve much/anything practical. What they did was force the UK government to sit down and negotiate in (vaguely) good faith. The protests and marches acted to show large scale support for the changes.
Against an intelligent, aware government, the need for violence is implicit, rather than explicit. It’s a lot better to engage early and diffuse political hot potatoes. Unfortunately, the US government doesn’t seem like they will take the hints.
The marches should be used to crystallise the other 2 requirements. A political agency, to act as a voice. As well as those willing to go further, to act as the muscle.
Otherwise this is performative bullshit while we need hard action.
What kind of action are you talking about?
From the looks of the comment history, they plan on writing “pedo” next to his signature on the cash and bugging out of the country. So, performative bullshit followed by running away when it gets too tough.
Hey now, we should all be writing rapist next to his signature! If course we can all do more too.
Agreed. I’m down for vandalism as a pastime as long as we recognize it’s pretty much the least one can do and changes nothing, compared to other efforts. It’s basically irl memeing, good for a laugh, good for pissing off the MAGAs, but at then end of the day the dude putting his name on the money still has more than us and will just print more if all we do is deface it.
Don’t underestimate culture. Though I do agree with you to an extent
will just print more if all we do is deface it.
I can imaging TV news reporting the news of such, and then joking about it.
His acolytes have not just normalized what he is, they celebrate it because they’re so invested in “if libs hate it we love it”. This guy was at CPAC this weekend and I’ve seen similar, if not quite so explicit, messaging floating around. The news will downplay it and MAGA will get aroused by knowing their guy’s perversion offended someone.
I was thinking about regular people having a laugh.
MAGAts are a lost cause.
Maybe deface $20 bills that have as a portrait a man who not only owned slaves, but also traded them?
Nope, I’d be game for things that do ACTUAL harm to them rather than just standing around. As I just mentioned above, how about these things occur during normal business hours? How about a general strike for a week or more?
You can’t even be troubled to get off your keyboard and meet like minded people in real life, so I question your commitment to organize a general strike much less take any direct action against your enemies. How do you think the masses survive a general strike? It would take weeks and weeks to put a dent in the pockets of the oligarchs. We survive the hit to ourselves, which is far more devastating, by the support of our neighbors and the people in our community, the people we met at protests and rallies, the people you think are beneath you. You’re the leftist equivalent of a Facebook MAGA, loudly blasting your opinion and invoking the names/histories of those who did something in their time like you’re the second coming but hoping others will get the ball rolling. But you sit at home while others actually “do” and are contemplating bugging out. We could use your help, but if you’re just here to get famous, get your own, or duck out when it gets too serious, go fuck yourself.
Okay, let’s just hold hands and chant when and where they allow it, and hope shit gets better.
I provided concrete steps in response to your request; all you do is attack.
So I’ll ask you, what are your CONCRETE STEPS to fix this?
Step One: Sing kumbaya Step Two: ??? Step Three: All better 🥰
You think a general strike is gonna be a problem for the masses, how do you think they’ll fare when striking is illegal and punishable by fines, jail time, or worse?
I’ve run for public office. I’ve called out this bullshit since 2015. When everyone was laughing at him as a joke candidate I was one of the few calling out how he kept amassing support, and him being elected would be really bad. Remember, back whenever was sure it wouldn’t happen until he started picking off the rest of the GOP one by one? I’ve supported candidates across the country with donations.
So let’s flip the script: What have YOU actually done other than dress up in a funny costume for a couple of hours and attack those correctly pointing out the futility of your actions? We could use YOUR help, but if you’re unwilling to actually action YOU can go fuck YOURSELF.
Well, if we’re going to reduce this to a dick-wagging contest…
Battle of Seattle veteran. Lived in an Occupy tent for half a year. Been on the TSA’s no fly list for 20yrs because of associations with some folks who burned down a fur warehouse; no comment on whether that was valid or not. Being connected to doxxing some folks who were animal testing didn’t help (again, no admission whether that was true or not). I will admit I’ve had a Stormfront profile I’ve cultivated for years and said some pretty horrific things. But that helped get the trust to know the Hammerskins were going to rally and we ran them out of town when they tried to have a rally here. I once beat the ever-loving-fuck out of a Salt Lake City Nazi punk with a chain and padlock (I’m aware it’s cliche but, well…).
I’ve had the shit kicked out of me, I’ve had my nose busted, my two front teeth are fake, I froze my ass off in that tent, and I’ve been stabbed and shot at. I’ve lost a few years of my freedom serving time. I dress up in a funny costume for a couple of hours because I still, despite it all, have the hope democracy prevails and we can find a peaceful way out of this. I know what I’d do if that fails, and it’s what they would do to us. I don’t like that about myself, but I’m aware I’m capable of it.
You’ve got my help, you’ve got my history, you’ve got my actions. Got a plan and willing to live with doing it?
I’m willing to participate, not lead - that’s a young man’s game. At my age and stage in life the safety of my family (and getting them out of things go south) is far more important than sacrificing them because the country has far too many morons with far too much power.
That being said, I think we are a lot closer that our first discussions made it appear, so perhaps our paths will cross someday.
Defacing currency is easy.
What if they did a few 100s of other easy things? What would it add up to?
For starters, let’s disrupt during normal business hours. Hell, general strike for a week. A couple of weekend hours every quarter won’t do shit.
Yeah? Who’s gonna do that? The same people who won’t even stop using netflix or facebook? Where are all of these people that you think are just waiting to join you up? Unless you have more than 150 MILLION people helping you, the protest won’t do shit.
What’s different today? Anything. Do you think that anyone saw you all and said, “That’s it, I’m different. Fuck this!” lol Most ignored you, ignored what little news there is about you, and went about their day.
Vote. That’s it.
That’s the problem with protests since Trump was elected. It turns out you can just ignore protests, and this never occurred to politicians up until this point. Up until then, politicians acknowledged protests as a good-faith effort to represent their constituents.