Aylam  
"it's just an optional field for birthdate" ignores why it was added and what it will be used for
Mar 29 at 4:47amWeb
Show threadAylam  4d ago

we need a real software freedom movement that is explicitly leftist/anti-capitalist, aims to liberate computing for all and does not exist as free labor for corporations.

fuck the law, fuck ai and fuck licenses

Show threadAylam  4d ago
i understand that this kinda movement would never be as popular as open source / free software because of much less resources available and also because many software developers like to think of themselves as part of the elite rather than realizing they are exploited workers
Show threadLykso4d ago

@aylamz Count me in. I've been using the Peer Production License for all my stuff lately. Not sure it's sufficient as a license, and licenses alone are not sufficient as resistance, but I figured it's better than nothing.

Did you have anything in particular in mind?

Show threadLi ~ Crystal System4d ago

@lykso @aylamz ive been considering not using a license at all because idfk licenses are still basically just a threat to try get the state to do violence against you if you dont comply; and as such fuck them, but then also half the time you use a license like that is just 'fuck corperations' .. right .. but then im also thinking the type of people who "need" a licnese to deem them 'allowed to contribute' probably aren't who i want contributing either, but then idfk assurance you wont use the state to hurt them also seems like reasonable given the situation we actually exist in and .. .. bleh i dont know..

idk i guess i just see licenses as performative to an extent;  not that being performative is wrong or anything, but eh

Show threadzivi4d ago
@Li @lykso @aylamz if its performative in your case you should be using an ethical source license (aka one of those “unenforceable” ones that prohibit corpos and cops and state muderers using your software)
Show threadmateusz67684d ago


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Won't this turn into non-free software since there is a group of people who are being prevented from using the software?
Show threadLykso4d ago
@mateusz6768 @zaire @aylamz @Li I don't consider "free software" to be a religion, so I don't particularly care if fighting capitalism is considered "in compliance" with "free software" by certain people. For me, the whole point of free/libre software is to provide greater freedom to people; to undermine the power disparities which would naturally accrue if let alone; to build, expand, and, importantly, prevent the (re)enclosure of the commons, whatever form such enclosure might take. It is 1/
Show threadLykso4d ago
@mateusz6768 @zaire @aylamz @Li clear to me that capitalism seeks to intensify power disparities, to replace public, accountable systems of governance with private, unaccountable ones, and that labor exploitation is a key part of this. Its embrace of "open source" software is an indication of "open source"'s failure; it has become little more than a source of unpaid labor for the benefit of multibillion dollar corporations. Rejecting the moral dimensions of the struggle has neutralized it. 2/2
Show threadLi ~ Crystal System4d ago

@zaire @aylamz @lykso yeah its like 'corpos and cops and state murderers cant use this' but then also *technically* their whos supposed to 'enforce' the license, and the means of 'enforcement' is also intentionally harmful and like terrible .. like fuck hurting someone over using software wrong .. ( i mean fuck cops in general but yknow .. )

.. but then your also just "expected" to have one if you make software at all .. and not having one then assumes that you want to do that to everyone ever, which is also fucked .. ugh

so tbh to me the idea is less about enforcability since fuck any 'enforcement' of licenses in this context -- hence why ig i feel its performative, though i suppose, corporations are still unlikely to use your shit if its under some weird license, and thats maybe what you want, idk

Show threadLykso4d ago

@Li @aylamz Yeah. Licenses are a tactic that belong to a certain context; they should not be mistaken for the revolution. They have the benefit of acting as a filter and a flag, while also *possibly* being legally enforceable (though I always expect the law to favor the capital class, so any legally-enforceable anti-capitalist license is unlikely to remain enforceable for long).

I like that they provide something approaching precise 1/

Show threadLykso4d ago
@Li @aylamz language around the problem we're trying to address. In the case of the Peer Production License, it seems clear that labor exploitation/capitalism is the issue it's aimed at. 2/2
Show threadAylam  4d ago

@lykso

Did you have anything in particular in mind?

not really. i've been thinking about not having a license at all and just adding a notice like "no copyright intended" or something but i don't know

Show threadLykso4d ago
@aylamz My thinking is a bit scattered as well. I need to sit down and write it all out, but that's going to require some uninterrupted silence, which I'm not likely to get until late this evening.
Show threadLykso3d ago
@aylamz I've started, but I'm realizing this is going to take me a long while to write out.
Show threadzivi4d ago
@aylamz “we have to do this to comply with the law” who the fuck told you you have to comply with that law
Show threadzivi4d ago
@aylamz i refuse to believe systemd adding ageslop was done out of anything but malice
Show threadLi ~ Crystal System4d ago
@zaire @aylamz as someone else pointed out on here at one point, its very interesting that they dont feel the need to comply with laws about dvd copy protection with deCSS, for every distro that ships VLC or like accessibility regulations that require things to be accessible for disabled people (and like even if fuck the state, accessibility on linux is generally a big issue regardless ..) but then this one this one... for some reason they have to follow in advance.