Lady Laura 1d ago
#Meme #Humour
Show threadSarah1d ago
@cmconseils

I find it rather unpleasant that most mainstream #Linux distros use SystemD, who have implemented a age entry for users due to this law. I live 5300 miles/8600 km away from California.

My next linux distro is one without #SystemD, no Linux #Mint, no #Ubuntu (not that was an option anyways), no #Debian and so on. Probably going for #Devuan.
Show threadLeniwcowaty 1d ago

@sarah @cmconseils may I remind you, that you already for about 12 years had fields for your real name, surname and exact location? Which were, same as this new DoB field, empty by default and 100% optional.

It's like you said "I feel unpleasant that this restaurant added green tea to their menu, even though I'll never order it, and nobody will force me to order it"

Show threadSarah1d ago
@leniwcowaty

I'd like to know and understand more. While I am not as amnesiac as your post might suggest, I initially believed there was a principal difference between providing users the option to self-identify vs. implementing a feature as a stated response to Californian law.

Perhaps you can enlighten me how these things are the same?

And your strawperson example doesn't quite fit how I look at my own statements, I'd say it's more like:

"I find it unpleasant that the global franchise have mandated local restaurant should offer human clone meat here in Norway, as they say themselves; in preparation for a Californian law. In light of other franchises and the industry in general, as a resolute anti-human clone meat protestor I should look for alternative restaurants as hold it highly possible that they will at some point change their entire menu to human clone meat and I will not be able to eat here anymore."
Show threadLeniwcowaty 

@sarah tell me, are you offended, that systemd has a field called "location"? Do you find it unpleasant? Does it make you uncomfortable? Is it dangerous, that you CAN fill it with any location you want, or not fill it at all?

If not, why are you offended about the Date of Birth field?

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Show threadSarah1d ago
@leniwcowaty

It seems you are unable to discuss the principal points I'm talking about, I don't see how we can have a productive discussion. Thank you for the interaction and I wish you a happy life.
Show threadLeniwcowaty 1d ago
@sarah no, seems like you don't understand what actually was added to systemd, and desperately want to be offended about something. Have a happy life, and in the future - actually read commits, instead of listening to fearmongering youtubers ;)
Show threaddil1d ago

@leniwcowaty @sarah You keep talking about this age verification thing like it is a technical issue, but it is not -- this is a political issue.

Meta spent over $2,000,000,000 just to lobby for a global age verification law. California's implementation is just the test run, and soon most OS will make this "oh it is just an optional stuff things like this has always been on UserDB" a requirement to own and operate a PC.

That is the problem people are worried about. Not this your "you don't understand what you are talking about" shit, we are worried about how most of our systems will be illegal in the coming years, and how we may have to use the dark web to access the simplest if programs.

Show threadLeniwcowaty 1d ago

@daesorin @sarah I understand the issue. And I am fully against this age verification bs. But being angry at systemd that they just added a field to your local db is stupid. If this field was there years ago, nobody would even blink twice.

Go be angry at lawmakers, at distros implementing that.

Show threaddil23h ago

@leniwcowaty @sarah The "go be angry at lawmakers" redirect does not hold. Lawmakers mandate what infrastructure makes possible. You pointed at that mechanism yourself -- "if this field was there years ago nobody would blink." That is the normalization argument. The blinking is the point. The absence of blinking, once the field is universal and unremarkable, is what gives the law somewhere to land.

Nobody is angry at systemd for adding a field. The argument is that "it is just a field" is the wrong frame for evaluating what the field represents inside a specific regulatory moment, with Meta's $2,000,000,000 in lobbying behind it pushing toward exactly this kind of quiet, boring, already-present infrastructure. Technical triviality and political significance are not the same measurement. A thing can be both simple to implement and useful to mandate.

"Go be angry at distros implementing it" is also doing something strange -- distros that ship systemd ship UserDB. That is not a separate decision.