JD Vance wildly claims Ilhan Omar ‘definitely committed immigration fraud,’ White House will ‘go after’ her

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JD Vance wildly claims Ilhan Omar ‘definitely committed immigration fraud,’ White House will ‘go after’ her - Lemmy.World

JD Vance accused Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) of having “definitely committed immigration fraud” and said that he’d recently spoken with White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller about how best to “go after her.” Speaking on a podcast hosted by MAGA influencer Benny Johnson on Friday, Vance was asked about claims that Omar had defrauded the United States by marrying her brother to secure his legal residency. The unsubstantiated claim has circulated in MAGA circles for years but has been denied by Omar multiple times. The congresswoman was born in Somalia but moved to Minneapolis with her family in 1997, fleeing the civil war.

Things JD Vance Hates:

  • Brown people
  • Women
  • Muslims
  • Anti-fascists

Ilhan Omar is everything he hates and she is one of the few people in power in the government who actually stands up against tyranny. No surprises here.

Things JD Vance Hates:

  • Brown people

Which is extra weird considering this is his wife:

She’s probably a self hating Asian who would rather have a racist partner as long as he’s white than be with an Asian man. It’s like short women who only want a tall partner because they feel insecure and need to compensate. But here it’s a woman who feels that her non-whiteness is inferior and thus she needs to compensate by marrying a white man. And with that inferiority complex she attracts racist men.
  • I’ve literally never heard of that take on short women. Not saying you’re wrong, but that’s new to me.

  • Her family is from India. They have a caste system and you bet your ass she’s from the top of that. She’s from a long line up “upper class” people who look down on the poor and disenfranchised. She just happens to be a little brown.

  • The short woman in my office give the lots of reasons of only dating tall men

    Few more: i don’t want short kids Need someone to get high stuff Dwarves ( in reference to blokes under 6 feet) are not hot Need someone to protect me

    Its all steps from insecurities

    That’s all insane. Firstly imagine calling the average man of every country but the Netherlands a dwarf. But also as a woman who’s nearly 6’ short women hurt my back. I still date them because I don’t really consider height a major concern in partners. Also I’ve hidden behind multiple short exes. One is 5’2" and built like a bear with an attitude of pure willingness to do violence for loved ones.

    Sigh, but yeah I’ve noticed a lot of short women are insecure about their heights as well. And it’s weird because many of us tall women are also insecure about ours. I have to try not to loom over other women (and sometimes over men). When I wear heels (which is usually formal events) I stick out like a sore thumb even more. Back on reddit the tallgirls community was really helpful to find other women experiencing the same awkwardness.

    The higher caste Indians hate darker skinned Indians and thus many are insecure of their own brownness.

    This is such a poor understanding / oversimplification of Indian culture and history.

    First it’s important to point out that much of America was an apartheid stated based on a race based caste system for most of its history. You know which race was high caste and which was low. If not, ask your grandparents (or parents for that matter).

    Can anyone today look at those of the race that was high caste and assume that they continue to look down on the historically low caste? No, it’s not that simple.

    Usha came from a family of scholars who were well regarded as philanthropists and educators in their village.

    Assuming you know anything about her individually based on her caste is actually incredibly… casteist. Its equivalent to saying every white person must be a racist.

    I think she made a terrible choice in JD. But let’s not assume to know the woman based on incomplete presumptions.

    I went to school for Anthropology. I know not to make assumptions about cultures. I’m not making an assumption about members of caste systems today, but what it was like and what some continues to be like. And there is absolutely no way she isn’t racist or hates the low class if she can still stand by her husband. It’s not like it was an arranged marriage. She picked him, she can leave him.

    It’s like looking at a white guy who’s racist and saying, yep, it’s because he comes from a long line of racists. It’s as simple as that.

    If only going to school in anthropology meant you were knowledgeable in every culture.

    You were clearly made an assumption about her belief system based on her caste. It’s no different than you looking at another person and assuming how they think based on their race.

    I’d hope an education in anthropology would prevent that type of ignornance but apparently not.

    If you want to judge her based on her words and actions I welcome that. If you’re going to make assumptions based on immutable characteristics then you are engaging in bigotry, anthropology degree or not.

    My personal standard is to not tolerate “these people are like this because they were born that way” no matter where it comes from. You shouldn’t tolerate it either.

    We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree.

    One could reasonably argue that the multi-level, fractally-iterated caste system of India is more complex and more pervasive than the US’s old, but not fully eradicated, white/black classification scheme.

    Assuming you know anything about how she thinks of others based on her caste is actually incredibly regressive.

    Excellent point.

    Its equivalent to assuming every white person must is a racist.

    That’s not a bad assumption as a first-order-of-magnitude guess. It’s shocking how much racial weirdness baggage is part of a white American upbringing. It’s not as bad as it used to be, but that doesn’t make it good.

    I think one can reasonably argue a greater social pervasiveness of the Indian caste system, especially when it comes to kinship and marriage. It’s dying out in urban parts of India but boomers and the older generation, especially in rural areas, certainly still care about marriages remaining within caste.

    Many of the boomers I have engaged with in the US are relatively open to their child or grandchild having an interracial relationship but there are still a lot who would be torn apart by it (on the basis of white people being a higher caste).

    Institutionally, both countries have gone down different routes to address historical injustices. In India, at independence, a caste reservation system was created to make sure those of historically lower castes had equal access to oppurtunity. This is how DEI is perceived by some in the US, as a reservation system for people of historically disenfranchised groups, though it certainly isn’t explicitly meant to work like that.

    Some in India feel that the reservation system has been an overcorrection in some aspects but the debate is ongoing as is the debate around DEI in the US.

    There is an excellent Indian film produced by Karan Johar (with Martin Scorcese as an executive producer) based on the book A Friendship, a Pandemic and a Death Beside the Highway by Basharat Peer which tells the story of a Muslim (Shoaib) and person born into a lower caste (Chandan).

    I’ll spoil the film since it’s relevant to the conversation. Both aspire to join the police force which would break each of their family’s intergenerational cycle of poverty. Both face significant hurdles in the form of Islamophobia and caste discrimination. Ultimately Chandan gets in and Shoaib does not. This creates resentment between them. Chandan’s acceptance gets questioned by society at every turn, under the assumption that he got in due to his caste rather than merit.

    It’s a tragic story (based on true events) but Chandan’s acceptance is delayed and Shoaib and Chandan end up working at the same labor mill where their friendship is rekindled. Unfortunately Chandan comes down with COVID on their way home (which goes through the middle of nowhere). They get kicked off the transport vehicle that was taking them home for the safety of other passengers and try to trek it home with Chandan ultimately dying on the side of the road.

    At the end of the movie it’s revealed that Chandan went out of his way to make sure his caste was not mentioned anywhere on his application and he even went as far as to use a different surname to make sure his application didn’t get special consideration (through the caste reservation system).

    It’s an interesting analysis on identity, oppurtunity and how hierarchy within society is very very hard to subvert.

    Ive worked in several different American cities. I think a lot of progress has been made and I’m glad to see it. But there is still a lot of work to do. In nearly every city I’ve lived in, there is a section where white people live and another where black and Latino people live. In the companies and insitutions I’ve worked in, black and Latino folk are almost always over-represented in entry level positions and white folks are heavily represented in upper management and the C suite. It absolutely reminds me of the caste system in India. Though I acknowledge there are key differences and one society has existed for thousands of years longer than the other.

    Some of the rhetoric I hear in the US also mirrors the rhetoric among the privileged class in India around race/caste. Particularly (in the US) the questioning of merit targeted at African Americans or immigrants on, for example, an H1b visa. There are a lot more similarities in a situation where neither country should want to be like the other.

    I’ll end with a quote from a revered civil rights figure in the US, who was heavily inspired by Gandhi, and travelled to India to visit his home for inspiration. While doing a speech in Kerala, India he was introduced as a “fellow untouchable” (low caste) from America. He was initially aghast at the designation but after a moment of reflection he famously said “Yes, I am an untouchable, and every Negro in the United States of America is an untouchable” - MLK Jr.