Not particularly?
Trump represents an exceptional level of regression more than an exceptional incident in American history. Adams, Jackson, Buchanan, Johnson, Wilson, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Jr⌠and thatâs just the ones who managed to actually get elected. Thatâs not counting all the near-misses and also-rans, nor taking into account just how far civil liberties have come in the USA since its inception.
We fear Trump because heâs the worst/most successful of the regressives so far, not because authoritarian backsliding was completely unknown in the US until now.
I mean, fuckâs sake, the liberal democracy of 2001 had a seated president who won through rioting, regionalism, and corruption at the highest level of government. Trump is worse as a malady (though I would argue unique as an individual and a leader), but only in intensity, not nature. The struggle against authoritarianism is one which all extant democracies have had to intermittently grapple with.
I mean, in abstract, never in the last couple of centuries has there been this same level of informative media bottleneck. Digital is totally compromised with only two relevant web crawlers. Each of those is not deterministic in results across devices. I cannot go anywhere without coming under the scrutiny of a constant accuser I am unable to address. The value of currency is negotiable by means of extortion. I have no way of participating in my local free market.
At the deepest level, democracy boils down to the right to skepticism; the right to independent thought. The right to skepticism is antithetical to systems of trust at the individual level. Measuring these two against each other, I have very little room to be skeptical and informed now, but am required to have a lot of trust. I care not for words of reciters. I care about what is measured from actions. Calling an individual a citizen while forcing them to endure life without pay for their labor is no different to me than the label of slave.
Actions measure reality. Words are always defined by use, not the other way around. We do not speak Latin now, or proto Germanic. There are slaves working in the very airports ObL used to attack the USA. The very people that were meant to stop the same thing from happening again. How much more symbolic do you need from the empirical?
I mean, in abstract, never in the last couple of centuries has there been this same level of informative media bottleneck.
Uh, I donât think I would agree with that, at all. Even with the increased attempts to control information by multinational corporations and national governments, weâre still very far from even the level of control experienced in 18th or 19th century journalism, or 20th century mass media.
The value of currency is negotiable by means of extortion. I have no way of participating in my local free market.
Iâm not sure I understand what point is being made here? What do you mean by ânegotiable by means of extortionâ? Or being unable to participate in a local free market?
At the deepest level, democracy boils down to the right to skepticism; the right to independent thought. The right to skepticism is antithetical to systems of trust at the individual level. Measuring these two against each other, I have very little room to be skeptical and informed now, but am required to have a lot of trust.
I agree with your basic argument, but disagree with the estimation of the current situation. Most prior systems required much more unthinking trust and tolerated much less skepticism than the current system, even in our current fucked state.
We should absolutely demand better. Itâs just not the same as saying now is the worst state itâs been in.
I care not for words of reciters. I care about what is measured from actions. Calling an individual a citizen while forcing them to endure life without pay for their labor is no different to me than the label of slave.
Whoâs not getting paid for most of their labor, but being called a citizen?
Actions measure reality. Words are always defined by use, not the other way around. We do not speak Latin now, or proto Germanic. There are slaves working in the very airports ObL used to attack the USA. The very people that were meant to stop the same thing from happening again. How much more symbolic do you need from the empirical?
Ah, the TSA? A delayed paycheck isnât the same as slavery; they are entitled to backpay as soon as the government unfucks its own budget agreement. Also, they arenât prevented from quitting. They arenât trapped; itâs a shitty situation, but not slavery. They continue working not because theyâre forced or even necessarily because they believe in airport security, but because they know that this is a temporary interruption of their regular remuneration.
In any case, the TSA is largely security theatre. No offense to the people in the job who take it seriously and respectfully, but itâs⌠not much of a preventative.
⌠some of the more abstract economic notions I could comment about; other more specific issues of doing business I couldnât. Overall on that front, I think Iâm going to refrain from comment, because this sounds like a very shitty situation youâve been forced into despite immense hard work.
On the other issues raisedâŚ
In terms of stuff like the TSA, I care about actions. The action is that they are working and unpaid.
Okay, but theyâre only âunpaidâ in the sense that most of us are âunpaidâ for all of our work until we get our weekly, biweekly, monthly, etc, paycheck.
The action is that theyâre clocking paid, not unpaid, time, which will be paid like any other working hour of their career.
Theyâre not doing this in the hopes that some benevolent force will remunerate them, or out of the kindness of their hearts, or because theyâre being forced to at metaphorical swordpoint; theyâre doing so in the expectation, like any other wage laborer, that their payment will be delivered at their next paycheck.
Itâs a shit situation to have when that paycheck is sent shuffled around, and screws over a lot of people, but itâs not even close to slavery or having oneâs labor taken without pay. The only question being meaningfully raised by this entire idiotic and unnecessary crisis is when they get their next paycheck, not whether they will get paid for the hours theyâre putting in now.
Until this last year, I wouldnât have said I thought ObL was meaningfully successful, but with ICE, Flock, Venezuela, Iran, the Epstein files, the million or so homeless in prisons for being disabled, elderly, or unwell, the lack of unbiased media sources, and the way we own nothing now? Yeah, I do not recognize this place any more. There is a vector connecting ObL and all of those elements. At least in terms of political narratives, that one has some teeth IMO.
ICE, sure, ICE is certainly a result, at least in part, of the post-9/11 terrorism mania.
Flock is a result of technological advancement and shitheads (inevitably) trying to take advantage of technological advancement. I donât really know that itâs meaningfully connected to Bin Ladenâs effects on the USA.
Venezuela and Iran have long been conservative targets, and honestly, weâve done much worse during, before, and after the Cold War. Theyâre shameful because we should have learned from previous mistakes, especially considering the wide awareness in the popular memory of debacles like Vietnam and Iraq. And unexpected because the administration is remarkably stupid, even by Republican standards.
As for the Epstein files, the unfortunate truth is that pedophilia and rape have been widespread for a very long time amongst the politically powerful, as have been honey traps and blackmail with regards to the same. Never heard the old saying âThe two things you can find in a Senatorâs trunk which will end his career are a dead girl, or a live boyâ? Fuck, man, sexual abuse of minors was rampant on both sides of the Iron Curtain during the Cold War, and before that it was almost universally ignored. I mean fuck, the age of consent in the UK was 10 in the 18th century AD. Itâs⌠not a new development since Bin Laden. Nor limited to the USA or the West. About all that is remarkable is the data trail that has become available to the public, the suspected penetration of international intelligence agencies, and how aware the Justice Department was of the perpetrators - likely related to the penetration of international intelligence agencies. Rapist fuckwits running large sex trafficking circles, and powerful people frequenting them, is a very enduring problem, unfortunately.
The industrial-prison complex is not related to Bin Laden in any way, whether one wishes to regard that as fortunate or unfortunate. It was a pre-existing problem which was not meaningfully provoked or exacerbated by Biden Ladenâs actions.
There has never been a norm of unbiased media sources, though certainly some sources at least try, largely those free from private funding. But thatâs how itâs always been. Before broadsheets and newspapers, it was either gossip or the âbenevolenceâ of the powerful informing the lowly peons of what little it was judged they needed to know. During the period of broadsheets, it was whatever the interests of the printer were. By the time of newspapers⌠fuck, âYellow Journalismâ and âmanufacturing consentâ are terms for a reason.
Despite the rhetoric about âowning nothingâ and being âhappy about itâ, home and car ownership rates - both of which are, by far, generally the most expensive objects the ordinary person has - are far above their pre-WW2 levels. And, for that matter, neither showed a sharp contraction in the period of the GWOT.
I donât know man, Iâm not saying you shouldnât be pissed about all of this, because you are absolutely right to be pissed about all of it. I just donât know that it shares a root triggering event or exacerbating factor. Itâs much more systemic - and systemic across a vast array of cultures and time periods - than circumstantial.
Preciate the time and respectful grounding. There is a heavy dose of cynicism and hyperbole in what I have said. I donât really feel anything. Iâm more of an on/off switch where there is little to speak of on either side.
OsL as an argument is mostly a curiosity about impactful rhetoric⌠Populism to counter populism, or rather imaginative dreaming of such.
The business stuff, is real and tangible. That does piss me off.