RE: https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/116305793811427182

I'd been thinking about making some time to read _Project Hail Mary_ so I could go see the movie and join the convo about it. And then I read this 👇🏻.

Nice to not have to crowbar that into my schedule, but overall? I'd rather Andy Weir had just not been a shitwaffle. Seriously, I am _so sick and tired_ of white-guy SF authors turning out to be right-wing assholes.

(Also, the thing about "there's no symbolism or themes in my work"... dafuq? Why would any writer say something like that? 🤯🤡)

@kagan

Some alternatives takes other than from a white male vlogger milking The Algorithm:

https://ffrf.org/publications/day/andy-weir/

https://www.wired.com/story/social-nuance-of-artemis/

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movies/articles/why-project-hail-mary-ignited-230056768.html

https://www.nae.edu/19579/31222/20054/311408/316925/The-Bridge-An-Interview-with-Andy-Weir

For me, Project Hail Mary is definitely in my top 5 SF books of my long life so far. His descriptions of Rocky's perspectives rival Up the Walls of the World by James Tiptree, Jr. His wielding the proximity to real science is in the same category as Charles Sheffield. I couldn't read it fast enough for wanting to know what happened next.

@CynthesisToday
If your definition of real science hasn’t progressed beyond an undergraduate degree in the 1980s — well then, sure, I guess.

Science fiction can and should include speculative and fictional science.

If I want mid 20th century physics, I’ll go back to reading actual physicists from the era like Gregory Benford.

@kagan

@AlsoPaisleyCat @kagan

Goodness... why the insult? Sure you guess what? I'm not a scientist, but I am an engineer who reads research papers and PhD theses for the thrill since retiring from chemical process development. There is some amazing science happening with the application of the sciences of interconnectedness.

Bear, Benford, and Brin, The Killer B's, all great SF writers. Tiptree (nom de plume of Alice Sheldon) had no science background, but wrote very imaginative speculative fiction. Sheffield was a mathematician and physicist.

How wonderful to find writers like Weir who write as well as old school SF writers. I loved Ann Leckie's Ancillary Series (mid-2010s). Can you recommend some post-2020s hard SF writers?

@CynthesisToday

No disrespect intended towards you, just towards Weir.

I have seen him cited frequently in recent years as an amazing ‘hard science fiction’ author.

However, much of that discussion is contemptuous of authors who know more modern physics, biological sciences/ genetics and other fields. If it’s not within the frame of undergraduate physics circa 1980, it’s not ‘hard.’

I agree about Bear, and Brin, and Leckie. I would include Vernor Vinge and CJ Cherryh in there too. Those critics do not.

More problematic though is that, along with praise for Weir, there is significant signalling and outright claims that other writers who include diverse representation are somehow not writing ‘real science fiction.’ There’s coding going on around this in science fiction spaces.

As long as Weir didn’t take this position himself, and taking into account some of his themes of climate change and other issues, I was willing to let it slide — in recognition that any popular science-positive writing has inherent merit.

Much as you are arguing we should consider doing.

But Weir has chosen to insert himself into the conversation, to argue that his work is better and to denigrate the works of others. Which is why this discussion thread took off.

At which point, I am not willing to let his claims slide.

@kagan