David Gerardtheo de raadt eschews vibe coding for copyright reasons https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1064541/1a399d572a046fb9/
Lucas@davidgerard Okay so if I understood correctly, that means NetBSD and OpenBSD remain slop-free while FreeBSD and Linux won't. Didn't have "Run BSD" on my bucket list, but here we go I guess 🙃
波鉄 (Hatetsu)@lu_leipzig @davidgerard Linux, I think I've heard enough about, but FreeBSD? Is the guy who submitted the slop a contributor or something? Has something been moving there? Or is this simply an inference from current discourse over there?
@HaTetsu @davidgerard That was based on FreeBSD's GitHub repo showing the infamous "Claude was here" banner:
@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu oh noooo
Ratsnake Games 🔞@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard that banner appears even if claude contributed to one PR that was accidentally accepted and then promptly reverted, as happened with Godot for example. Manual audit is still necessary, unfortunately.
@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard In this case, claude does not (yet?) have contributions on the main branch.
@ratsnakegames @HaTetsu @davidgerard Found this commit on main from a couple of weeks back: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/6495dafd58b94a44fc9bc966ef47d6bc6916f5b9
It's only a trivial change and it seems to originally come from this PR at openzfs: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/18255
So yes, technically there's a Claude commit in FreeBSD's main branch, but this particular one is probably too trivial to directly affect FreeBSD's quality or legal situation. It would have been great if they still rejected it as a matter of principle though.
The_Decryptor@lu_leipzig @ratsnakegames @HaTetsu @davidgerard And here's a similar situation with OpenBSD
https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/9c2b8e445a0bdfafdd6148b1760f00aa5429627b
It's more involved, but also from a 3rd party project.
Rafael Martins@ratsnakegames @lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard not so fast... the "claude user" only appears if the person was lazy enough to ask claude to even commit for them. it is perfectly possible (and even more common) that people just commit their changes made with claude code manually, with no traces of anything you could track, other than the low quality overall. this is a mistake I see frequently from people that had no exposure to claude (and AI in general) as an user.
@davidgerard @ratsnakegames @lu_leipzig @HaTetsu unfortunately it is not so simple. Only the official Claude client instructs the models to do that via system prompt, purely as a marketing stunt. Anyone using the Claude models via other clients won't have that, even if they ask the model to commit, and it is not their fault, they are not lying to anyone just because of that. My point is that you should not assume that something is clean purely based on a header missing on every commit message
@ratsnakegames @HaTetsu @davidgerard That's good to know, thanks for pointing that out. Now I'm curious what exactly happened in FreeBSD's case.
@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard their CONTRIBUTING.md does allow AI contributions:
"Low quality submimssions will be rejected. This includes submissions generated by AI tools that lack sufficient validation, testing, or understanding by the submitter."
cloudskater@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard @ratsnakegames
God, that's so depressing…
@lu_leipzig @HaTetsu @davidgerard @ratsnakegames
Godot does actually accept AI slop code though, right?
I knew Linux was doing a stupid and considering AI "reviews" and stuff, but are they actually "generating" code now? Jesus Christ…
@cloudskater @lu_leipzig openly vibed code has made it into the kernel
@davidgerard @cloudskater Yikes, but yeah I'm not surprised. When did that happen?
Seriously? Fucking hell. Yeah when did that start happening? Pls source so I can reference it later.
@cloudskater @davidgerard Not that I know of, but since they seem open to the idea in principle (and also since they take a lot of corporate code contributions), my hopes of having no slop code in the Kernel in the long run are rather low.
I'm also a bit suspicious of Rust in the Kernel in this regard, but that's just an uneducated gut feeling.
@lu_leipzig @cloudskater nah it's in there
performative dickhead put it in without telling the maintainer
https://lwn.net/Articles/1026558/
see comments for the maintainer unhappy at being sandbagged