đŸ„–Working on a thing. Are there any other cities that require you to cross town to take your next train? I’m ignoring London for now.

@chuuchuu Milan, Budapest, Madrid. Sometimes Lyon, Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Copenhagen, Warsaw.

Nice looking feature! :)

@stefanlindbohm you missed Glasgow, Manchester and the heaving metropolis of Bradford

i guess if you're being cheeky you could add Lille and Birmingham

@bovine3dom They said no London so I assumed no UK :). But yes!

(I also have some work of my own on these stations in the UK, even though I’ve caught up on some UK stuff recently.)

@stefanlindbohm ah yes the crucial transfer between Portsmouth and Southsea station and Southsea Hoverport
@bovine3dom You know I prioritise the most important use cases!
@bovine3dom Here’s another very important feature: the ropeway icon for exactly one service that is included in international timetables :D

@stefanlindbohm ah but there's loads of them in GTFS

you're just doing future proofing :)

@bovine3dom I’m actually missing the gondolas across Switzerland to mountain towns that are considered public transport, like Le Chable -> Verbier. Would help A LOT for skiers who don’t know they should search Le Chable to go to Verbier etc.

Do you have other examples that would help long distance journeys?

@stefanlindbohm can't you ingest all the GTFS and exclude the one you know you already have?

seems easier than having to work out what's important

off the top of my head there's the new cable car in Paris and also one in Brest

not cable cars but Italy is riddled with funiculars

@bovine3dom I have some plans for a better import/filter/integration tool for timetable data. Right now we’re a bit limited but the idea is to do what you say. Hopefully the tool itself can be open source so we can all use and add to it!

Funiculars we have a few in some places, but the icon library we use didn’t have a fitting icon so they’re still just trains.

I guess the issue with gondolas is they don’t really have a timetable, so need to be modeled as ”footpaths”, which is often missing.

@stefanlindbohm @bovine3dom There's also the difference between gondolas (a continuous stream of vehicles) and cable-cars/funiculars (a single pair of vehicles that take anywhere between 5-20 minutes for a rotation, which may or may not be following a schedule coordinated with the valley train/bus).

@cycling_on_rails Do you know of cable cars that are public transport and not timetabled? Timetables are easy, and gondolas with a fixed travel time should be easy enough, but I assumed all relevant cable cars would have a timetable. Otherwise we’d have to support displaying variable travel time or something, depending on your luck with timing 😅

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@stefanlindbohm @bovine3dom Define public transport? Pretty much any cable I know even in ski resorts has a pedestrian mode, although that usually leads to an isolated mountain peak/restaurant, so you'd count that as "touristic", is that what you mean?
@stefanlindbohm @bovine3dom But yeah generally speaking cable cars have a timetable in theory, but easily run in continuous mode in practice if demand exceeds the baseline throughput. Not that it matters that much for long-distance travel I think.

@cycling_on_rails I was thinking of those that go to a place you’d have as a long-distance travel destination, let’s say anywhere with more than one hotel. But yeah, this is getting very niche. I just like to present it nicely if the data exists and it’s not too much work :)

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@stefanlindbohm @bovine3dom For Switzerland you can use https://www.sbb.ch/de/billette-angebote/abos/ga/ga-geltungsbereich.html as a reference. (zoom in twice to see cable transports)

Through line = GA is valid, so in the majority it's public subsidised (although some touristic cable transports accept GA as well)
Dotted line = GA counts as half-fare card, these lines aren't usually not subsidised but discounts for GA carriers will be granted as a courtesy.

@wrzlbrnft @bovine3dom I will definitely put this on my list of things to get back to. We just need some way to include a continuous link as a leg in our journey planner.

We already have ticketing access to include the gondolas through the Swiss national ticketing system, provided we figure out a way to link the station code with that travel leg.

@stefanlindbohm What is exactly the challenge? Most of Swiss cable transports are included in the Open Transport Data sets > https://data.opentransportdata.swiss/dataset/?groups=timetables . Also every cable transport station has it's own UIC code ( https://opendata.swiss/de/dataset/haltestellen-des-offentlichen-verkehrs ).

I see that there now is even a dedicated beta dataset for cable cars and ski lifts ( https://data.opentransportdata.swiss/dataset/seilbahnen-netex ).
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Datensatz - opentransportdata.swiss - CKAN data catalog

@wrzlbrnft We (exclusively, for now) use the international timetable dataset (MERITS) where these are not included, and we don’t have an internal structure for continuous links like gondolas. Maybe the latter is also the reason why they’re not included in MERITS? (Haven’t looked into how they’re represented in NeTEx yet.)

Both are totally solvable issues, but we have many fish to fry and that’s why :)

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