are pedophiles good people?

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Are pedophiles good people?

They sure don’t make good presidents.

Then we’re on the same page.

are pedophiles good people?

Well, depends.

Are they alive and breathing? Then, no.

Are they dead and not breathing? Then, no. But at least they are dead.

Does pedophiles imply sex offender?

Because there’s some of them seeking help knowing they have a problem

That does not make them good people.

Sure we can’t say that make them good people when that’s just what they should do.

But I don’t think we should label them as bad if they never did anything illegal/wrong AND are seeking help.

Where did I say they were bad? Or is this the Christian world view where you are either “good” or “bad” and nothing in between exists?
The only thing you’ve said is that they are bad, and got belligerent when people said that you were misunderstanding and being unfair

I only said that they were not good.

Show me where I say they are all bad.

It’s most of you that are in bad faith.

You are conflating paedophilia with sexual offenders. Which makes the situation worse for all potential victims because it makes seeking help more difficult for those paedophiles that do not want to become a perpetrator. There are legit therapies available to deal with paraphilias.

Note that the majority of perpetrators is not paedophilic. Sexual assault is often about power and dominance. Children are simply easy targets.

No I’m not.

You are conflating people not being bad, being thus good.

They don’t automatically become good people, just because they are not bad.

There is a whole range between being a good human being, and being a bad human being. People “just not acting out” what they would like, and seeking help doesn’t make them GOOD people. It probably makes them “not bad people”, but only in this specific case.

I’m not sure about that. Various branches of philosophy will argue doing what you know as good which is against one’s desires is the ultimate goodness. But just doing good because you want to doesn’t really get any brownie points. But at the very least, someone with bad natural urges who doesn’t act on them because they know they’re wrong surely isn’t ‘bad’. Ideally they should self identify to protect others in case they ever can’t control themselves, and that’s why we shouldn’t really use the term pedophile the way we do with such negativity; but too many ignorantly people conflate the notions of desire and action, so that’s pretty much a lost cause . Being a pedophile apparently is like an orientation which one has no control over, like being gay or straight. The difference is that a pedophile can never act on their urges without hurting someone terribly, which has got to really suck.

We seem to agree about everything? Or so I think.

Even the idea that acting against your natural urges is the ultimate goodness.

But you don’t know that, many pedophiles might just do it to fit in in society, they got caught up in the help process (or whatever reason), and not for some empathic reason. There are obviously both IMO, hence the not bad doesn’t automatically mean good.

It is quite interesting how people want to believe everyone is sort of baseline good (or so I feel), which is nice I guess!

Cheers

I think the point they’re trying to make is that isimply could not rape a child, like i just couldn’t do it, I couldn’t get sexually aroused to do it. Like someone could put a gun to my head and order me to do it and i would want to live and i still physically wouldn’t be able to.

But obviously pedophiles can biologically their bodies give them that possibility. So if they never do it, then yeah they’re doing something good, (which is the same good thing the rest of us do, but we literally put zero effort in.)

Yes you are lol

Do you think people choose to be attracted to children? It’s a mental illness that should be treated

Because there’s some of them seeking help knowing they have a problem

I think it’s obvious we are not talking about those

are pedophiles good people?

Pretty sure the worms think they’re good. And the plants think they’re good once they get a taste of their compost.

"You can’t taste pedophilia"

  • a worm, probably

Hunter Thompson served in the Air Force in the 1950s.

He said that the draft had good points, because it actually forced all sorts of people to work together.

At that time, you still had rich people who would send their kids to the Army.

They put them into higher positions to avoid any meaningful danger.

By the 70’s rich people figured out you could dodge the draft by bribing a doctor to say you had bone spurs. They were the Fortunate Sons

Now the same rich people can just say “nah he’s too tall”

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A lot of war is people’s social betters reaffirming the nature of that relationship. The Vietnam era gave us the term fragging to describe the tension experienced between officers and the enlisted.

people’s social betters

I’m confused, you think these politicians and billionaires are better than a regular person living their lives the best they can?

I see these people as the cause of death and destruction in the pursuit of money and power at the command of a pedophile. They all need grenades at their feet.

I don’t ascribe to a social hierarchy where:

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect

These groups don’t exist to the betterment of society, they are leeches that harm society to enrich themselves.

I’m fairly sure that this was implied by what the user said. I expect they just didn’t want to put scare quotes around the words.
Pedophiles are good for target practice.

Pedophiles are suffering from a mental illness they didn’t ask for.

Child sex predators however are bad people yes

Finally someone said it. Being a pedophile doesn’t make you a child rapist by default.
not 100% sure now is the time to be pedantic about this topic
Well we know which category Mr Trump inhabits.

It says something that at the convention for Canada’s National Democratic Party, being held in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, the Premier of Manitoba is having to talk about the latest war the USA is waging.

Canadians don’t get a vote on who becomes president, but everything the US does affects Canadians. When domestic politics is calm and stable, even during a national conference about Canada’s political situation, the focus inevitably turns to the chaos south of the border.

I don’t disagree, but why is someone from Winnipeg talking about America?
Because those political dumbasses south of the border are affecting Canada negatively. Gas already went up because of Ukraine and Russia now with Iran and Israel its gone up even more.
Because there’s no one from America you will believe.
I believe a lot of Americans.
You mean the ones who voted for Trump twice? And want to vote for him again?

Here’s a CBC article with context

The premier made the comments a day after federal Defence Minister David McGuinty said Canada is considering sending vessels and cyber expertise to help secure the Strait of Hormuz if a ceasefire is reached.

Kinew said Canada has prided itself in promoting human rights across the world and that taking steps to end the war would be acting according to those values.

'This is a dumb war,' Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew says in letter urging PM to take action to stop Iran conflict | CBC News

Manitoba's premier is calling on Mark Carney to help stop the war in Iran.

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Because here in Canada we’re directly influenced by the shit-stain South of us. And America is so currput and filled full of no one who has the balls to change anything, it takes foreign countries to call out the bullshit that is happening right now.

Basically, if Americans won’t hold their own country accountable, the rest of us will. We know America is basically 350 million cowards. The rest of the world needs to, once again, do the bare minimum for them.

rest of us have to

rest of us needs to

No we don’t. Fuck them, let it collapse. They won’t do anything about it and I’d rather we take our chances now in a world without their shit. There’s a price to their failing hegemony and it’s being paid by some who have had their back for a while.

That’s a bold statement—definitely going to spark a lot of debate.

Nobody mentioned Jews or Israel, but the bot farm jumps to defend them anyway.

Outing themselves again.

You HATE Pedophiles? WHY are you so Anti Semetic!

-AIPAC and The ADL!

A drunken abusive racist says something agreeable.