Michael Edlund
Greenpeace International“You cannot blow up the sun. It is incredibly difficult to disable a decentralised network of millions of rooftop solar panels. Distributed energy is inherently more resilient to sabotage than a handful of massive, vulnerable thermal plants.”
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@greenpeace "It is incredibly difficult to disable a decentralised network of millions of rooftop solar panels"
The threat is that this can be done by hacking half a dozen manufacturers' IT systems - most of the solar panels can be controlled online.
CalibanThat sounds like a challenge.
Becca@calibanscreations @greenpeace Am I being paid to?
KerplunkIt is incredibly difficult to disable a decentralised network of millions of solar panels with household battery storage.
Full agreement. Power networks are soft targets, atomic power stations and radioactive waste storage a horrific disaster waiting to be triggered.
kravietz 🦇Yet, nuclear power stations are the only reason why #Ukraine power grid works after #Russia has annihilated hydro power plants, coal and gas power plants, and stole huge PV farms in Kherson oblast. Nuclear power plants, which Russians did not dare to destroy - and portable petrol generators, which kind of do count as distributed power generation. That’s the real world versus crypto nerd’s imagination 😄
And as it comes to PV - yes, you can’t “blow up the sun” but 1) a single country - China - currently controls[^1] 85% of the whole PV supply chain, 2) panels are easily damaged by natural (hailstorm, wind) and human factors (cluster munitions, fire) plus they depend on inverters which can be hacked remotely[^2]
[^1]: https://www.iea.org/reports/securing-clean-energy-technology-supply-chains
[^2]: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-gigantic-unregulated-power-plants-in-the-cloud/
Brad Macpherson@kravietz @Kerplunk @greenpeace 1) Sure, but once the panels are installed who the fuck cares for 25+ years - and there's nothing stopping us building our own (re-) manufacturing capacity, it's established tech; 2) they're also easily replaced and not nearly as easy to damage as you make out; plus damage to a panel doesn't necessarily stop it working entirely, nor the panels beside it; and 3) don't connect inverters to the internet. For the love of all that's foul and corrupt, don't do it.
Canvases By Peter 🇵🇸@kravietz @Kerplunk @greenpeace ...and how many times has Ukraine come within a hair of a major nuclear disaster after the latest bombings? 10? 100? 1,000 times? It's only through sheer LUCK it hasn't happened.. Yet.
Of course if a solar panel is hit, you simply replace it, not evacuate the entire area for 50-500years.......... But ahwell, keep hatin'on green I guess.. 🤷♂️
stealthradek@greenpeace "We may not be able to blow up the sun, but we can build a giant mirror in space so we can control the sun energy and profits" - some "businessman" right now
Administrator<obvious sarcasm> Can't blow up a sun? Someone's never heard of a Type 1a Supernova. The star doesn't even need to be very big.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Ia_supernova
(Paging @evilscientistca in case he wants to correct my math.)
@mdm @greenpeace @evilscientistca Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeety sure that if our sun WERE to "blow up", no matter WHAT ENERGY you're trying to use on Earth and no matter how much you hate green energy, NONE of it (absolutely _ZERO_) will save you my dude. 🤣