lenazunI completely understand the position of people who don't want to use LLMs or consume any content produced with LLMs. I do not understand the position of "NO ONE should use LLMs at all" because how are you planning to make that happen? no one should be *forced* to use them, but plenty of people are using them now. it's not something you can wish away or achieve via moral condemnation.
i just want to know what the the theory of change is, beyond being really angry at the whole thing
tuban_muzuruHave you ever played tennis, bouncing the ball against a wall? The wall will always return the ball according to the rules of physics.
The LLM is the wall. It's not about right or wrong, accurate or inaccurate, truth or lies. It is only a mirror.
Create the mirror with crap data. The Big Machines will index it all, grind it up like weisswurst, down to the probability of the next word in a list. Everything else is beside the point, there is math to support what's going on, endless MULT instructions on millions of processors, munching away on a corpus.
But what if we populated it with good data, trustworthy data? The models would be smaller, we might do it with L-Systems. Ethics could thus be directly implied.
James BrittMirrors are predictable and we can explain how they work. We know why we get the reflections we see.
LLMs are the opposite.
You're wrong. None of the math is on your side.
I really do think people should have to pass a test showing they understand linear algebra and the rudiments of indexing a corpus.
Can't pass the test? None of this machine learning for you.
I might add, it's truly shameful, these Chicken Littles running around telling us AI is gonna Take Yer Jerbs. The same idiots have been saying that since the PC surpassed the typewriter. Don't be a Chicken Little. Take some math courses.
demofox@tuban_muzuru @jamesbritt @lzg yeah llms can be run deterministically and perhaps the only thing questionably not deterministic in the universe is quantum effects.
Who cares. Learning linear algebra doesn't solve the problem.
Who cares. Learning linear algebra doesn't solve the problem.
@tuban_muzuru @jamesbritt @lzg I know ML researchers who truly believe that once they finish replacing all of us and themselves, that we will have UBI and nobody will have to work anymore.
They know linear algebra, but look how naive they are.
Knowing linear algebra doesnt solve the problem.
They know linear algebra, but look how naive they are.
Knowing linear algebra doesnt solve the problem.
I'm willing to go with your account of these idiot Replacers. Trust me, this is a significant revolution, but as with the PC revolution, it's bright shiny promises galore! and the world will still need workers, more than ever. Those people aren't being born. The idiots think they will replace people when there aren't enough people to do the jobs we have
I did this for 40 years and retired. Now I play with this stuff.
@tuban_muzuru @jamesbritt @lzg reading more carefully, you weren't making the point I thought you were, apologies.
FWIW i think parts of ML belong in the toolbox of CS - like VAE latent space - but man, working on stuff like that isn't even enough AI for the current corporate POV.
It's disheartening.
FWIW i think parts of ML belong in the toolbox of CS - like VAE latent space - but man, working on stuff like that isn't even enough AI for the current corporate POV.
It's disheartening.
Here's my TL;DR - beginners want the LLM to write their code. As they advance, they eventually figure out the LLM writes really good spec
If you're disciplined about it, you will evolve a Plan-Do-Check-Act cycle.
Most of the talk about LLMs and vibe coding is infantile. Infantile because all this stuff is just beginning and Sturgeon's Law applies throughout.
The LLM will not make you a better coder unless you demand to be taught.
@tuban_muzuru @jamesbritt @lzg
Yeah, i'm with you on that. I hope more people understand that sooner rather than later.
I've had great luck having it help me learn things. I am horrified by people who generate code that "seems to work" and they move on.
Yeah, i'm with you on that. I hope more people understand that sooner rather than later.
I've had great luck having it help me learn things. I am horrified by people who generate code that "seems to work" and they move on.
These fadwaves come in every five years or so, leaving a bunch of dumbasses in platform shoes or some other ol' booshee maybe they shouldna oughta bought in their wake.
@tuban_muzuru @jamesbritt @lzg I hope this ends up being the same. Things are so bad right now. I'm in game dev and it's a blood bath there, and tech in general.
There are other factors, but it's all just so awful right now.
There are other factors, but it's all just so awful right now.
I boost every seeking-work toot.