Helge HeßI never really used Hypercard, or Amiga Vision, but I’m wondering why this isn’t a thing today? Or why those things went out of fashion?
blazr@helge afaik steve jobs killed hypercards. it wasn't about fashion, but focus on other stuff.
@blazr He may have killed the particular product, but I wonder why there hasn't been a replacement / similar thing. The idea that regular users can write programs seems nice? I don't think that really exists anymore, or does it? (Access or FileMaker seem to be in a similar bracket)
Adam Williams@helge @blazr My experience is two fold:
(1) the interest by users in building things has dramatically declined, we [IT dept] used to have to actively work against people building thier own stacks, that's just not as true now.
(2) corporate users have [hot garbage IMO] like Flows and PowerAutomate, which are officially sanctioned.
That doesn't leave a lot of space for low-code development .
@whitemice @blazr Fair, but that's business stuff, I think Hypercard was targeted more at individuals doing their things?
Swift Playgrounds kinda tries to go there, but it seems way too complicated for the audience.
Swift Playgrounds kinda tries to go there, but it seems way too complicated for the audience.
@helge @blazr That falls under (1). Individuals use Google Forms, etc... but the building-computer-stuff seems very reduced. Many of the younger people are very tipped toward low-tech solutions, even anti-tech. Attitudes are very different than when I was in my 20s. So I think the remaining space just isn't that big --- and Python seems to take a lot of the space for people with an interest.
@whitemice @blazr The new Myst, now coming to your Google Forms 🙃
@whitemice @helge its really a huge loss. maybe check out what rolf schulmeister wrote about it.
empowering humans does not seem to be on silicon valleys agenda any more. its now all about empowering autocrats with AI and building the killer robots for WW3.
i think hc had the potential of #mathematica for normal people. #wolfram research should have been awarded a "nobel prize" for math long ago for such an empowering tool.
@helge hypercard was way more than just low code. the most impressive stack i ever experienced with it, was built by a german professor for statistics.
rolf schulmeister built a hc stack to teach basic principles of statistics to his students.
he also wrote a book about it. later that full stack was migrated to flash components for the web. but that was already loosing a lot of the hc charme.
@helge hc was built on an idea from an LSD trip. many people discard always those parts of inspiring invention stories which contain the truth that alternative consience through substance intake played a mayor role.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJKjBHCh18
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJKjBHCh18
