#TIL that there are #UEFI-only computers being sold now with no legacy BIOS compatibility mode.

That kind of sucks for experimenting with alternative OSes.

I've heard there's a software shim in development to replace this lost functionality, but it's still very early/alpha/basic/incomplete.

@rl_dane I'm not even joking, if I meet the dipshit that created UEFI, I _will_ give them a piece of my mind, and it will _not_ be kind.

@OpenComputeDesign

We're addicted to overcomplexity.

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign not implementing the bios compatibility when your customers don't need it seems like a reduction in complexity

@kabel42 @rl_dane

The problem is they removed the wrong part

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane depends, if 99.9% of their customers use windows, well, that only works with efi afaik. Not even sure linux works without anymore

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Well, that's like saying that android phones shouldn't have unlocked bootloaders because greater than 99.9% of users don't install custom ROMs.

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane to be honest, i have no idea how many android phones there days allow you to install custom ROMs.
I'll buy one that does, but most people won't care and if none of you customers are ever gonna develop a custom rom for your crappy piece of short lived plastic, why bother?

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Well, this goes back to several previous debates I've had about why ARM is a _terrible_ flatform, and x86 is better.

Imo, x86 is the _only_ architecture worth even considering, because it's the only one with a common BIOS. With the removal of BIOS compatibility from UEFI, x86 is loosing that. Computers are going from the closest thing to an open platform we've ever had, to just as locked down and worthless as everything else. This is, from a tinkerer's perspective, _the end_

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane nah, uefi is still a common spec, just a more complex one. And I'm not saying every bios needs to drop compatibility, just that some will because there is nearly no demand.
I'd really like to be able to get a device with some open source bios thing

@kabel42 @rl_dane

The problem with UEFI as a spec is, it's objectively worse than BIOS in _every single aspect_.

And the same people that don't care if their UEFI has BIOS compatability, also absolutely would not have cared if UEFI was never invented, and we all just stuck with BIOS