#TIL that there are #UEFI-only computers being sold now with no legacy BIOS compatibility mode.

That kind of sucks for experimenting with alternative OSes.

I've heard there's a software shim in development to replace this lost functionality, but it's still very early/alpha/basic/incomplete.

@rl_dane I'm not even joking, if I meet the dipshit that created UEFI, I _will_ give them a piece of my mind, and it will _not_ be kind.

@OpenComputeDesign

We're addicted to overcomplexity.

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign not implementing the bios compatibility when your customers don't need it seems like a reduction in complexity

@kabel42 @rl_dane

The problem is they removed the wrong part

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

💯

I mean, I'm not saying we should be chained to 1980s BIOS forever. But something a little more elegant, mayhap?

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane depends, if 99.9% of their customers use windows, well, that only works with efi afaik. Not even sure linux works without anymore

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

I think I have almost all my machines in compatibility mode, but that of course doesn't mean it's using BIOS.

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Well, that's like saying that android phones shouldn't have unlocked bootloaders because greater than 99.9% of users don't install custom ROMs.

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane to be honest, i have no idea how many android phones there days allow you to install custom ROMs.
I'll buy one that does, but most people won't care and if none of you customers are ever gonna develop a custom rom for your crappy piece of short lived plastic, why bother?

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Well, this goes back to several previous debates I've had about why ARM is a _terrible_ flatform, and x86 is better.

Imo, x86 is the _only_ architecture worth even considering, because it's the only one with a common BIOS. With the removal of BIOS compatibility from UEFI, x86 is loosing that. Computers are going from the closest thing to an open platform we've ever had, to just as locked down and worthless as everything else. This is, from a tinkerer's perspective, _the end_

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane nah, uefi is still a common spec, just a more complex one. And I'm not saying every bios needs to drop compatibility, just that some will because there is nearly no demand.
I'd really like to be able to get a device with some open source bios thing

@kabel42 @rl_dane

The problem with UEFI as a spec is, it's objectively worse than BIOS in _every single aspect_.

And the same people that don't care if their UEFI has BIOS compatability, also absolutely would not have cared if UEFI was never invented, and we all just stuck with BIOS

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

FPGAs. Look at the C64U and Bunnie Huang's Precursor.

@rl_dane @kabel42

Do you have any idea how _terrible_ FPGA development software is?

No like, I cannot over state this. FPGA development software might just be the most convoluted, locked down, broken, unusable software ever devised by any life form in the entire universe

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane Thats what happens if you have two vendors that think the win if the do lock in...

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

I mean... virtue? Doing something good? Not being a moneyslut? Am I speaking Martian? Oh, I'm in America, of course I am. 🤦‍♂️

(I know I'm preaching to the choir)

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign but PeOpLe want to buy cheap phones a lot...

@kabel42 @rl_dane

People want to buy $1,500 phones every 8 months?

Well, clearly, I guess, given that's the paradigm we've ended up with. And actually, I don't even know why I asked, given that I've had people yell at me for _not_ buying top of the line phones every time they come out, and for even suggesting that people should have the option of _not_ doing that

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane I have no idea why, but they do...

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

It made a lot more sense when there was more change every year (think 1998-2015), but now it's just stupidpants.

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign but you NeEed the new Apple chip with more AI and cloud and stuff

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

I swear, by 2040 it will be normalized to have authentication dongles inside the human body or something. That's the only way things could possibly get more invasive.

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign subscription to be allowed to remember that movie you went to

@rl_dane @kabel42

Oh my god do _NOT_ challenge them.

It's already bad enough you've gotta submit your credit card, phone number, email, home address, backup email, back up phone number, mailing address, face, finger prints, social security number, driver's license, GPS location, and install an app with permissions even _you_ don't have, just to use modern services.

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

I had to enter my (cell) phone number to set up my new router yesterday.

Utterly cursed.

#eero

@rl_dane @kabel42

My ISP set the ISP provided router's wifi password to my phone number and I can't figure out how to change it

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
Can't you get a router that doesn't suck?
@kabel42 @rl_dane I have a $5 router that all my stuff actually connects to, and I just have it inside the ISP router's network. All my stuff is double NAT'd :P
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane why can't you use that instead of the isp router?

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Already connected some stuff to it before I brought my router over, and didn't feel like going through the stupid pairing process all over again.

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane the wonders of TR-69 and router just magically connection to the one thing they are connected to :)

@kabel42 @rl_dane

I don't think my router supports that? I don't know much about it, but it looks like it might be the sort of thing my ISP would need to do anyway?

@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
The most complicated setup I've had was, pick provider from drop down, enter username, enter password, wait a minute. If you already have the internal networks set up, it shouldn't be that much work right?

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

What does TR-69 do?

@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign mostly download an XML file with a standardized config from the provider

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

It was a freebie, and it's decently powerful. 🫢

I think after I gave up trying to resist blasted #BindingArbitration agreements, I got kinda lazy.

Also, I have some decent mitigations on my #Android phone against spywareish apps, now. 🤷‍♂️