While it's quite fun to say “Butlerian Jihad now!” it’s not actually accurate because despite what idiots and evangelists would have you believe LLMs are not actually reasoning entities and not made in the image of the mind of man.

That doesn’t mean they’re fine though, especially for what people are doing with them. Ed Zitron is right. Ceterum censeo LLMs esse delenda.

#ai #slop #llm #butlerianjihad

@eschaton

> not made in the image of the mind of man.

They're very much made and intended to imitate the human mind (on the surface ...). I think that qualifies. I am not willing deal in shades of grey here: They are all evil.

@glitzersachen @eschaton
No, they aren't intended or designed to mimic the human mind. The architecture of an LLM is such that, given a prompt, they produce output that is statistically likely to relate to the prompt in word and phrase usage, based on an enormous training set. They use statistics and linear algebra, with literally no understanding of the words and phrases. They are stochastic parrots.

That is not how any reasonable human being responds, when you talk to them.

@brouhaha @glitzersachen In particular the way that artificial neural networks work is inspired by how we thought brains worked in the 1970s more than it resembles how brains actually work.
@brouhaha @glitzersachen @eschaton You are right of course, but a substantial proportion of AI folks STILL BELIEVE that despite all the counter evidence.
@brouhaha @glitzersachen @eschaton "Reasonable" being the key. I've worked with a few managerial types that very much uttered what they thought the most influential person in the audience wanted to hear. Any no surprise that their cohort are some of the most ardent proponents of GenAI.
@ingram @glitzersachen @eschaton
Even "What they thought someone wanted to hear" is far beyond what LLMs can do, and still requires actual intelligence.
@brouhaha @glitzersachen @eschaton Hmm, not sure there. It felt stochastic most of the time. That can give the appearance of intelligence, just like GenAI

@eschaton I think it's apt, they are "in the likeness of a human mind" in an Ecce Homo kind of way. And certainly the "turned their thinking over to machines" and "permitted other men to enslave them" bits are 100% on target.

Jihad tested poorly with the polling audience, though, we're now calling it the Butler Institute for Computing Justice.

@jwz Too late, I now own butlerian-jihad.org
@eschaton you have my sword
@rmi @eschaton And my upper atmosphere EMP device.
@eschaton @jwz surely you mean butlerian-jihad.ai?
@fazalmajid @jwz I’m not wiling to pay $200/year for a domain that would itself be a mark against the cause.

@eschaton @jwz perhaps I should have added /s

Anguilla (home of .ai) would be a good place to escape from Skynet, but I doubt any of those excessive registration fees actually benefit the impoverished residents there.

@fazalmajid @eschaton I guess Tuvalu (.tv) hasn't *quite* sunk yet either. I'm sure they're rolling in that "pivot to video" money.
@jwz @eschaton I used to own majid.fm because FM are my initials, but it was too expensive and I dropped it. In any case FM radio is being replaced by DAB in most of the world outside the US.
@eschaton oh my god. Can I have [email protected], as a forward to [email protected], pretty please?

@jwz @eschaton

Jihad tested poorly with the polling audience, though, we're now calling it the Butler Institute for Computing Justice.

An absolutely perfect distillation of the zeitgeist. No notes.