FoxtrotDeltaTangoJust a reminder
Diva (she/her)I refuse to stop shit talking democrats, if they weren’t absolutely complicit warmongers we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.
agamemnonymousHow so?
What do you mean how so?
The democrats are prolific warmongers, they just think they’re smarter about it than Republicans.
Oh I’m not arguing that, I’m just asking how that would have kept us out of this mess.
If they weren’t prolific warmongers and instead did things that were actually popular at home then they would probably be seen as more trustworthy and not lost to Trump repeatedly, idk how more to spell it out for you
Maybe, but then they would’ve been buried by AIPAC money, as we’ve repeatedly seen. They’ve done plenty of positive things at home, or at least tried to, but all that gets ignored. Sure, I’d love to see a positive change, but we have to acknowledge the reality of the political landscape, and opposing Israel is political suicide with current campaign finance influences.
They didn’t oppose Israel at all and they ate complete shit anyways.
they may have ‘tried’ to do positive things at home, but they also spent billions arming a genocide which triggered a blockade of the red sea and disrupted supply chains. Failing to negotiate a settlement with russia didn’t do energy markets any favors, the blowback from sanctions and energy prices absolutely contributed to inflation that people felt, and then blamed on democrats. ‘brandonflation’
Like you can make excuses about AIPAC or whatever, but the people who felt the consequences of these wars voted accordingly. It sucks that there was no left candidate to vote for and that resulted in republicans winning. However that’s also the democrats fault for not running a real primary and ignoring all the people voting uncommitted.
There were plenty of warnings, they were just ignored.
Sure, but Democratic voters are not democratic leadership. If you have a problem with Democratic leadership, tell it to them. Voters don’t benefit from Democrats losing to Republicans.
I actually spent a lot of time trying to communicate just that to my democratic representative, along with hundreds of other constituents. ‘Democratic leadership’ was completely unresponsive.
At this point I’m not going to waste more of my time talking to people with no interest in listening.
Voters don’t benefit from Democrats losing to Republicans.
Maybe ‘democratic leadership’ should fuck off (ideally forever) so that the republicans stop winning.
I’m not sure how that would make Republicans stop winning they have quite the devoted voting base.
If the current crop of democrats were replaced with principled people who don’t arm genocides and tank the economy, voters would actually have a reason to vote for them instead of staying home or voting Republican. This isn’t that complicated.
That said, I’m not surprised you seem to have a hard time envisioning victory without catering to genocidal warmongers. It’s an unfortunately common condition.
I don’t disagree on principle, but that “if” is doing industrial machinery level heavy lifting. I’d love to live in that world, I really truly would. Unfortunately, I have to live in this one. I’m over here trying to make lemonade comrade, and you’re trying to make strawberry shortcake with strawberries we don’t have.
Don’t mistake me articulating a vision with me believing that it is immenant.
Electoral success tends to follow movements and movements tend to hinge on material reality, ie what the conditions on the ground are
To play on your analogy, i don’t think we’re going to be able to survive on lemonade and whenever i suggest trying to plant some beans the lemonade fans accuse me of wanting to cut the lemon tree down