hear about a cool new app and think about trying it (animation studio, drawing app, notes organization...)

* find out it's cloud based... but maybe I can work with it.
* find out the file type is unique to that app alone... but maybe there are converters...
* it wants me to subscribe (it's not THAT much...)
* it's got AI in it for some reason

Decide I will use a paper notebook or a txt file instead.

... I will give you ONE maybe TWO hundereds dollars if you just let me HAVE the app. If I can just download it and use it and not need you in my life after.... please...

@futurebird You just reminded me of what used to be one of the best file managers on Android. It was completely free — not even ad supported. Had they suddenly demanded money, I probably would have given it. That's how good, featureful, and useful it was for me back then.

Then, all of a sudden it changed overnight. It suddenly started getting bloated, adding in ads, and reading data it shouldn't. It turned out it had been bought by some company that of course immediately misused the IP. (As a side note, this is a big problem of all existing apps on app stores — yes, including Apple! They get bought out and users aren't informed that the app suddenly has changed hands.)

I mean, back then a typical Android app was something like $1. I would have shelled that out in an instant for it

@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird the fun thing about our insane time we live in is: you probably soon can just download the android app, unpack it and feed it to some ai coding tool, and tell it to produce an app that does the same thing without the ads and bloat.
Currently there is apparently no legal handle to stop that. (Not legal advice)
I wonder how happy the AI / tech bro crowd will be about that :D

@mavu @futurebird Except LLMs will never be able to produce such a thing without countless errors and, besides, those weren't open source to begin with, so you can't actually do that anyway...

You're talking about a multi-year project that would involve basically building it yourself just with a LLM to try to help ease the process (or, conversely, a multi-decade process in having it produce things that don't work over and over and then when something seems to, spending ages figuring out why if you load this particular text file it erases everything on your device because you have no idea how any of the code works.)

We don't live in the times you think we do. We just pretend that we do.

@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird i said soon, and i think you'll be wrong.
Dont misunderstand me: i hate this.
I'm not touching LLMs for any reason with a 10 foot pole, but its never a good idea to underestimate the enemy.
Why do you think google is trying to lock down android behind "verified developers" initiative?
They know where the road is going: why should anyone pay for the "original" apps, if you can pay a fraction or nothing for a AI made copy?
Better put rails on what you can install.

@mavu @futurebird Oh no, I don't underestimate. I've used them. I know how they work. Fundamentally. I know what they are capable of and while some things can improve, they'll always ultimately have the same problem before this bubble pops and everyone moves on to hyping something else. I have access to multiple models I can run right on my own system without providing my private data to corporations and use them for simple things and still have to fight mistakes.

And Google is locking down Android for the same reason they removed the "do no evil" motto and etc: because they're leaning more and more into making a platform that enriches themselves and no one else. They always envied Apple for this, but didn't have the pull back then to do it. Now they do and they know it.

@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird lets make a bet: within 18 months, there will be some (quality, non bs) articles/videos of/about people doing what i decribed above, and the accompanying bafflement by the owners of the "copied" apps.
I'll put in a calendar entry for 27. Sprember 2027 with a link to this post :D

@mavu @futurebird This post won't be there then because of autodeletion. Plus I'm going to be blocking you since you're a techbro popping into people's threads to push the "LLMs are actually AI and they'll take over the world" scam. I just wanted to try to give you a polite response just once to see if you'd listen.

Just wait until you see the rest of the Fediverse. Everyone else is going to bite your head off... The scam is... not popular on here.

@nazokiyoubinbou @futurebird not what i tried to express at all, but its fine, misunderstandings happen, and i too block tech bros / ai people liberally, no hard feelings.
I'll try to do better next time putting my thoughts into words.