MynameisAllenWe really need a modern day Robin Hood hacker type
There’s a reason Mr Robot is still incredibly popular
rockerface🇺🇦That, and because it’s at least moderately accurate to how actual infosec breaches work
“Fight club for nerds afraid to get punched” is my favorite description, even tho Elliot routinely gets his ass beat.
The neat thing is that guillotine technology has advanced quite far since the French revolution
SeductiveTortoiseI need to rewatch Tucker and Dale vs Evil.
entropicdriftThat movie really is special
leojclosest thing we had to it was arrested in a Mcdonalds because some dumbass making less than 12 dollars and hour dropped a dime on him.
Luigi is innocent, we were playing videogames together
imaqtpieThe deification of Luigi really pisses me off because he didn’t do shit to help anyone. Robin Hood wasn’t a deranged murderer, he stole from the rich to help the poor. What the fuck did Luigi actually accomplish with his idiotic “plan”? It just shows how dire the current situation is that people are desperately latching onto that clown as some kind of revolutionary, when in reality he is nothing of the sort.
In the aftermath there was a wave of insurance companies approving procedures they had been stalling for a while. People’s cancer treatments were finally approved and a multitude of common folk where allowed to live because the rich realized how vulnerable they are.
lol they aren’t going to pay you for your service either, turncoat.
Unfortunately the hard data on UHC’s denial rate is not public information. The company wouldn’t want all the bad publicity that would come with transparency.
There would be other signs, though. For example, UHC investors suing to increase the denial rate.
The lawsuit argues that the company’s changing corporate practices in the wake of Thompsons murder have been too consumer-friendly, and the investors’ profits are suffering as a result.
Investors Are Pressing UnitedHealth Group to Deny More Care
UnitedHealth Group’s investors have profited from its sky-high coverage denial rates. Now, as the company faces mounting public pressure to approve more patient care, they are suing to stop the insurer from changing its “corporate practices.”
These article you linked mentions a litany of active lawsuits against UHC, many of which were already initiated prior to the murder of Brian Thompson. UHC was already on the legal chopping block prior to Luigi’s actions; in fact it seems fairly obvious that the preexisting lawsuits and bad publicity were the reason he chose to target Thompson specifically.
Let’s dig a bit deeper into the article. Right off the bat, I’d like to point out this tidbit, which perfectly supports the argument I was already making in this thread, namely that nothing has been changed by the murder.
Still, Potter warned that UnitedHealth Group’s own claims about reforms to its denials process should be treated with skepticism. “In my view, I think this is mostly for show,” he said. “It’s mostly for PR.”
As for the lawsuit in question, it was filed by some random shareholder from NY, who has no more access to the hard data than we do. He was concerned that
the company’s new projections for 2025, released in April, forecasted a significant cut in earnings.
And in an attempt to explain said concern, this talking head speculated
Wilkes, in an April media appearance, attributed the stock value drop to “probably United, and maybe the industry, pulling back on prior authorizations” — i.e., denying care to patients less often.
That’s not any kind of proof or data, it’s just speculation. Furthermore,
Shortly after the new investor case was filed, attorneys for CalPERS intervened in the new investor lawsuit, and last week, the plaintiff agreed to drop the suit and consolidate it with the larger case.
The lawsuit in question was promptly rolled into the comprehensive legal action which had already been initiated prior to the murder. And in case you didn’t read the whole article, they also mention that
On Monday, shareholders greenlit a $60 million pay package for the company’s CEO and shot down a proposal that would have increased investor scrutiny of executive payouts.
Bottom line is, your characterization of the legal action as “UHC investors suing to increase the denial rate” is reductive and inaccurate, although to be fair to you, it simply mimics the editorialized perspective of the journalist who wrote the article. The parts of the article which emphasize that interpretation of the lawsuit are basically just the journalist pandering to the lowest common denominator which comprises the majority of their audience. In other words, the writer of the article intentionally sensationalized the nature of the lawsuit, which is really quite a boring legal footnote that doesn’t make any of the claims implied by the article. I.e., it’s clickbait, and it’s obviously working.
I do appreciate you providing a relevant link that at least attempts to answer my request for evidence of the previous commenters’ claim, but unfortunately it’s not a very strong piece of evidence.
Lastly, I’d just like to point out that even if UHC does end up changing its practices and extending more coverage, all that ultimately means is that rival health insurance companies under less legal scrutiny will expand their market share proportionally and it’ll simply be a situation of new boss, same as the old boss.
Luigi wasn’t deranged either. He was stopping a mass murderer who monetized suffering. Luigi made the world a better place with a little perseverance and resourcefulness. It’s admiring to see folks still want to work.
because some dumbass making less than 12 dollars and hour dropped a dime on him.
You really should learn about how that actually happened…
Because it’s most likely going to be how the case gets thrown out. If you care about it, I don’t know why anyone would willing stay ignorant
Less hints more links my guy! Strong “parallel construction” vibes but I haven’t seen anything real solid yet and like to think I’m reasonably tuned in
Literally the first link from searching “luigi McDonald’s”
Authorities said a customer in the restaurant thought he matched the description of the suspect in Thompson’s killing and notified an employee, who called 911.
newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-priv…
That customer was almost certainly law enforcement, they just needed a civil to call in the tip because they couldn’t say how they found him.
The McDonald’s worker had no idea, that’s why their call was basically: “some guy said another guy is dangerous and wanted by police, I don’t know who”.
And cops immediately swarmed and singled out Luigi.
You may believe you’re “reasonably tuned in” but this information was out within like 24 hrs of his arrest everywhere.
That link says absolutely nothing about the source of the “tip”, you’re kinda being a prick about this without providing the substance that makes people put up with that. We’re even on the same side of this very specific niche case and you put more effort into some weak dunks than sharing info and downvoted me. Fuck off dude
That link says absolutely nothing about the source of the “tip"
Because it originated from an anonymous source…
Someone that was aware of who Luigi is and the bounty, wanted to turn him in…
But didn’t take the two seconds to ensure a call was made, instead they told someone else to call and just left.
Bro, if you can’t logic this out, and you only want help when it’s sugar coated…
Just block me.
Otherwise I’m cool to keep answering you’re questions, but this is standard delivery.
We’ve come to similar conclusions, I asked for a link because the confidence of your presentation made me think you had a good source. Instead of arming me with evidence, all this conversation has provided is arrogant, childish abuse. If you had something worth sharing you could just share it, “bro”
And I don’t think they even got the reward money they claimed they’d give out for turning him in but I’m not sure.
They did not
I thought I read somewhere that they actually used face rec and CCTV, but leaked that it was a call-in tip to obfuscate the extent of the surveillance state from the public?
And he just happened to still be carrying around a backpack full of evidence several days later for funzies. Convenient.
We already kinda do.
Boomer Humor DoomergodHaving worked with highly regulated industries like banking, health care, and others that a “Robin Hood” hacker would target I can say that it’s not feasible.
Do you know how many days of Zoom meetings they’d have to be on to compromise just one system?
That’s management. The actual physical RFID card generator is on an employee’s Windows laptop with the password sticky noted on the screen.
Okay so now you’re in one system in one company. And that person still needs approval and a four hour zoom call to push anything into a position where it can make a difference.
I know, I’ve been on dozens of calls like that.
And even then you’ve pwned one of about a dozen companies you’d need to make a dent.
And then some dickhole will rat you out to the FBI for leniency.
And that person still needs approval and a four hour zoom call to push anything into a position where it can make a difference.
You don’t need approval when you are a criminal and have used exploits to gain root access to the company’s computers.
You think Aaron Swartz was on Zoom meetings to get approval before picking the lock to the network closet, hacking root and downloading all the University’s public research papers?
This is you:
“No one can rob a bank. Think of the meetings needed to get HR to approve bringing a gun in the building.”
Downloading a bunch of data from educational systems is significantly easier than getting exploits into banks and financial systems, which is what I assumed a Robin Hood hacker would be doing.
Banks are hacked too:
Another data theft, which is not what people envision when they think “Robin Hood.”
They’re picturing a Mr. Robot-like restructuring of the financial system, or even just eliminating debt like was proposed in Sneakers, or maybe just moving money around like that one episode of SeaQuest with Tim Russ.
And to do that you need a lot of people to get code anywhere near production, and everything is audited, and the timelines are measured in quarters.
And then you need to do it for the rest of the banks in the system. Mr Robot only worked because Ecorp was a monopoly.
Or they could just ransomware the money from the big companies and give it away
I guess if you’re okay with getting caught
There are tons, op. Getting ahold of a corporate card and ordering strangers (maybe you’re one of them, maybe you aren’t) presents is a classic for a reason. You just never hear about victories of the resistance, that’s kinda propaganda 101
pretty much the plot of mr. robot
I was just thinking about all the industrial spying China has done over the years. Would be awful if someone released their secrets for battery tech in their cars (if they actually exist).
We need to not expect some hero figure to appear and change our world for us.
You know how hard it is to hack with bow and arrow?
gamerant.com/hawkeye-best-trick-arrows-from-comic…
gamerant.com/hawkeye-best-trick-arrows-from-comic…
mlgI really hate that the exaggerated future of Watchdogs is becoming reality but not the exaggerated group of highly experienced black hat hackers doing crazy post compromise shenanigans that would make national news.
The problem is the same reason why a Robin Hood type of character already doesn’t really exist in modern history. There will always be thousands of highly skilled people in defense of the very system you wish to see dissolved.
You would need the resources of at least a highly advanced APT, which often means you’re funded by a nation state which has very specific compromise goals.
Everyone else falls into cybercrime, which is much less sophisticated and is almost always after money.
Hence why most highly publicized attacks end in bitcoin ransoms.
I really hate that the exaggerated future of Watchdogs is becoming reality but not the exaggerated group of highly experienced black hat hackers doing crazy post compromise shenanigans that would make national news.
The problem is the same reason why a Robin Hood type of character already doesn’t really exist in modern history.
Huh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LulzSec
As someone who has also been all up inside bank infrastructure I can agree with the rest of your post, the complexity to access some of those proprietary boxes would almost not be worth it, especially with things like offsite backups.
Yeah I know about them, and they were actually the inspiration for Dedsec in Watchdogs, but they shuttered after the FBI caught one and flipped him real quick lol.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think we ever really saw a group like LulzSec again with the same level of notoriety and success.
Fuck Sabu, all my homies hate Sabu
That’s fair, as you said most are smashed these days by capitalism and thus focus on ransomware.
The thing is if a group wanted to remain in operation, being public is against their own interest. Back then it was easier to get away with things. Cloudflare wasn’t as advanced/heavily utilized, load balancers weren’t considered and lots of old architecture riddled with vulns made things fun. Web security was also extremely poor via xss.
We had one, his name was Aaron Swartz.
He did great work, had awesome projects. But he pissed off some of the powers that be, and they decided to litigate. They did what they could to crush him and it worked. Ultimately he committed suicide in prison.
I think we never deserved him and he knows it.