φim sorry but collecting CDs is so much more fun than collecting vynils , because you can actually play them easily and rip them if u want , and cd collections can put all of them on display while taking up mucj less space , theyre just strictly better
nina@fiore kinda but also no
vinyl ironically has an advantage due to being worse
in a good world a cd would be much better because it's superior in every way and we record music digitally now anyway but in the current world audio engineers tend to pull bullshit during mastering which vinyl kinda prevents because it would be completely unplayable
so you end up with mastering that doesn't hurt your ears and has a semblance of dynamic range on a medium that famously has much worse dynamic range potential
vinyl ironically has an advantage due to being worse
in a good world a cd would be much better because it's superior in every way and we record music digitally now anyway but in the current world audio engineers tend to pull bullshit during mastering which vinyl kinda prevents because it would be completely unplayable
so you end up with mastering that doesn't hurt your ears and has a semblance of dynamic range on a medium that famously has much worse dynamic range potential
@fiore that reminds me what's actually really stupid, which is "hi-res recordings"
this thing with vinyl pretty much shows that despite the pretty severe limitations, it's pretty much just enough to put any music on it and have it sound good
then came the cd and that has like none of those limitations, with 115 dB of dynamic range which is like, way beyond anything reasonable (the SNR of a CD with 16-bit recording is 96 dB but due to dithering the DR is much higher), and can losslessly store the whole frequency range up until like 22kHz (a lot of adult humans can barely distinguish stuff above 15k, the lucky ones with good hearing like up to 18k, if yours is *really* good, a bit more than that, but never over 20k)
but audiophiles thought that's not enough so there came hi-res 24bit recordings (DR of >144 dB) and frequencies up to 96k
which is entirely pointless *and* actually harmful because no matter how good your reproduction chain is, any frequencies beyond the audible range and/or the realistic frequency response of your gear will translate into additional audible noise
this thing with vinyl pretty much shows that despite the pretty severe limitations, it's pretty much just enough to put any music on it and have it sound good
then came the cd and that has like none of those limitations, with 115 dB of dynamic range which is like, way beyond anything reasonable (the SNR of a CD with 16-bit recording is 96 dB but due to dithering the DR is much higher), and can losslessly store the whole frequency range up until like 22kHz (a lot of adult humans can barely distinguish stuff above 15k, the lucky ones with good hearing like up to 18k, if yours is *really* good, a bit more than that, but never over 20k)
but audiophiles thought that's not enough so there came hi-res 24bit recordings (DR of >144 dB) and frequencies up to 96k
which is entirely pointless *and* actually harmful because no matter how good your reproduction chain is, any frequencies beyond the audible range and/or the realistic frequency response of your gear will translate into additional audible noise
@fiore audiophiles be like "b-but even if you can't hear it directly it contributes to the sound because of how it all interacts and blablabla"
nah it's literally just physics and all speakers/amps are flawed and the flaws show up way more on the boundaries and even if you buy €200k worth of gear in chase of perfect audio this will still be noise and just noise
(and also audio engineers often apply low-pass and hi-pass filters on the result because of this and other reasons)
nah it's literally just physics and all speakers/amps are flawed and the flaws show up way more on the boundaries and even if you buy €200k worth of gear in chase of perfect audio this will still be noise and just noise
(and also audio engineers often apply low-pass and hi-pass filters on the result because of this and other reasons)
@q66 genuinely smth i jadnt thought about so fair ^^
also i should say , my take doesnt ofc apply to analog records , thats different
@fiore well it applies to digital records too
the master for vinyl is pretty much always different (i have some modern records that i thought were good music but the way they are mastered for digital distribution just tires me out because of the constant barrage of equalized sound, while the vinyl just sounds a lot more mellow) because if you master a vinyl record too loudly/too compressed the turntable/cartridge won't be able to handle it (the stylus will skip and stuff, people already attempted back in the 80s)
the master for vinyl is pretty much always different (i have some modern records that i thought were good music but the way they are mastered for digital distribution just tires me out because of the constant barrage of equalized sound, while the vinyl just sounds a lot more mellow) because if you master a vinyl record too loudly/too compressed the turntable/cartridge won't be able to handle it (the stylus will skip and stuff, people already attempted back in the 80s)
sarah tonin 
@SRAZKVT @fiore that's where it started kinda
then it translated to radio (stuff that is louder on the radio == more profit, for some reason ???)
and once everyone went digital they all kinda settled on it and now almost every record is loud (digital mastering makes this exceedingly easy, they just push the limit of the cd and compress the DR and sometimes it even goes past the limit so it audibly distorts and then it's even worse)
even on vinyl they try to push it a bit but it usually stays reasonable because it both has to and because people often buy vinyl for this reason specifically
then it translated to radio (stuff that is louder on the radio == more profit, for some reason ???)
and once everyone went digital they all kinda settled on it and now almost every record is loud (digital mastering makes this exceedingly easy, they just push the limit of the cd and compress the DR and sometimes it even goes past the limit so it audibly distorts and then it's even worse)
even on vinyl they try to push it a bit but it usually stays reasonable because it both has to and because people often buy vinyl for this reason specifically
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