Harry Potter and the Jesus Christ You're Still Into That, What the Fuck

@jalefkowit I get what you're saying, I really do. Despite this being a big part of my childhood, I have boycotted her works.

However... I cannot bring myself to hate my friends for not boycotting the things I dislike. A weakness of mine

@sounddrill friendship is important. Don't cut off your friends when they obviously need you. If you actually can't stand the mental cost of staying with them, sure, but not before that. We seriously need to normalize sticking to friends despite some awful views they have because you might turn out their bridge back into sanity or prevent their radicalization. @jalefkowit
I feel like I get blocked so much for saying stupid shit that seems like such a great idea at the time, and if someone's like "Hey that's stupid, and shit," I'm like "Oh shit man you're right."

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@licho @sounddrill @jalefkowit I understand where you are coming from. But this is a strawman. This is an edge case to the edge case. To the point that your argument seems very centrist, big tentish.

I used to grant people I know quite huge benefit of doubts. For sake of keeping a relationship. For sake of not making the drama, especially if those were my ex friends. And let me tell you, it doesn't end on them loving H.P. It doesn't bother them that JKR is hurting trans people. When told it, they double down. They do not even have will to change anything. So I can hardly call such asymmetric relationship a friendship. And, at the very end, it's their choice to either change their views, or to radicalise further.

Yeah, of course, this is a case by case basis. But if someone is repeatably and knowingly acting in a way hurting me, that relationship is toxic, and it's time to quit.

And look, here is the field I grow my benefits of doubts. It's barren.

@licho @sounddrill @jalefkowit
The notion that we are supposed to keep friends with people who have awful wiews is very bothering to me. When their wievs become too awful to tolerate? What do they need to do in order for us to say "enough"? How can I keep friends with someone who hurts me or my friends? Or even strangers?

I had a friend once, he used to be very conservative politically and we quarreled about that a lot. At some point he decided to join an anti-refugee march in my hometown. At the same time, he kept friendly relationship with another friend's boyfriend, who happened to be a refugee.
Is this enough? He was nice to this guy, so maybe the nazi march was just something I should glance over?

I had another friend, a very close friend. Las Spring she went for a volunteering gig to Israel, to help some farmer pick strawberries, because his three sons were in the army. So, what to do? Are these views awful enough to say goodbye? Or should I disregard the fact that she went to help some guy, because people who should have helped him, were away, killing innocent babies?

And should I keep close to my uncle, who's homophobic and transphobic, but he cried happy tears when he saw me after many years in another country? He's after all my closest relative on the side of my deceased father. And he loves me, clearly he loves me so much, the only thing I need to do is pretend that he's just a guy, just my uncle, who never does anyone any harm, but taught his two sons to hate LGBT+ people?

Sorry for the rant, but see - these are just normal people. They never harmed anybody, they're nice and all. And yet...

@merigold you don't have to but I believe it's a virtuous thing to do. It's not a demand or a judgement. You always have weight costs and decide for yourself, based on your energy, capacity and judgement. By staying you're helping them at a personal cost to yourself. It's a lot.

I feel that I'm quite alone in saying it's even okay to be friends with people acting awfully, let alone saying it is a virtue. 99% of the time I am being judged for *not* disassociating.

@sounddrill @jalefkowit

@licho @sounddrill @jalefkowit

Lots and lots of people share this opinion, it's mainstream.

Having said that, I'm not going to try to convince you, you already have everything you need to understand the opposite opinion.

@merigold it is? Hmm, maybe not in my bubble.

I feel I do understand your opinion and I agree yo really don't have to suffer through it for anyone's sake. I still think it's virtuous thing to do and friends are important. Ofc not all friends are important. Maybe I should have said it's about "true friends", like ones that you can call in the middle of the night saying you killed a man and they tell you they are coming with the shovel in 15 minutes. You know what I mean.

@sounddrill @jalefkowit