So are there...ANY non-ethically-compromised browsers out there anymore?
(Besides Safari, I guess, except not exactly a power user friendly option, and the recent Apple Maps ads news doesn't bode well for them either.)
Rhetorical question, really. Turns out there's no money in the space otherwise...
What are we even doing as a species.
Browser chat: as expected the main signal I'm getting here is Vivaldi, with a side of Firefox forks. I'll do some research but
a) either of those options are of course slightly tainted by still consuming the upstream (albeit DUH why would someone try writing a browser engine from scratch in this environment…I get it…but also someone plz write a non-early-access wrapper around Servo…)
b) given how everything else is these days, you can't just look at a tool, you have to look at /the people behind the tool/. So I gotta find out /who is/ Vivaldi and are /they/ good people. Ditto the FF forks, I've been burned before by useful-tech-providing nerds turning out to hold bad social opinions (see: Kagi).
c) I am also unfortunately addicted to FF/Safari/Chrome style sync, ie zero-friction "throwing" tabs from my tablet to my desktop. IDK if the downstream options can do that…maybe I need a homelab WebDAV server or something? 🫠
@bitprophet i think https://servo.org/ is pretty cool and chugging along nicely.
not really fit for daily browser _yet_.
they are on the fediverse @servo
I mean, some people use emacs.
@bitprophet Short answer: no. Less short answer (which it sounds like you've already received but I'm happy to re-enforce): yes, because open source.
I'm most partial to Librewolf for privacy and performance reasons. It's default settings are very privacy focused so expect to check/uncheck a few boxes before it feels like a normal browser that doesn't require you to log into your email again every time you start it.
Waterfox is good as far as user experience is concerned, but due to a bit of a weird history, I remain iffy (they were acquired by an advertising company (same one that owns startpage.com, and MapQuest, among others) and then apparently the original dev. reacquired it? Cool, but I have to assume money changed hands to make that happen. I don't know the details, I just have a weird vibe about it.
People seem to like Vivaldi. It's got it's charms if you like extra features. I choose to stick with Firefox forks because maintaining what little competition remains against a complete Chromium monoculture (at least on the non-Mac side) has value to me, even if I've lost all faith in Mozilla's ability/desire to act according to their stated mission.
If I wasn't a normie rather than a giant dweeb with a vested interest in this sort of thing, I'd probably like the cut of Vivaldi's jib. It's employee owned, which seems nice, but it is still a private company, and it is still closed source, and money must be made somehow, and as I am distinctly not a normie, and I do have a deep interest in this sort of thing... the vibes are off for me once again.
In any case, I'm just not a swiss army knife browser kinda guy. Just serve me websites; no sidebar please.
Do I think a situation where insisting on a non-commercial and open source browser, in a world where browsers are so large and complex that there may never be a truly viable, non-commercial, and open source browser again is sustainable? Not really. The web is not the web we once knew, and interoperability is no longer a promise. I assume my days of using a fork to get an uncompromised experience as in privacy, without having a compromised experience as in being unable to watch DRM-protected content, for example, are numbered.
/got a little carried away. my bad
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