@cstross Mutual ruin is the expected outcome of wars.
The US is the Oil Empire; people who are not in the US tolerated that and the consequent post-war order because it was, by and large and on the whole, beneficial. Open trade, freedom of the seas, all that stuff.
An authoritarian US is not beneficial and the exceptionalism that went into supporting an expectation that the US would not go there is stone dead. Everyone else now wants to end the Oil Empire even without the food security issues.
@cstross My expectation is that the US is going to collapse its economy committing genocide against Iran. Once the US economy goes down, a period of global rearrangement happens, only it's going to be happening in a context of repeated famine as the weather gets more angry than hitherto. (Israel does not survive US collapse.)
I think it's also notable that there is no way out of this that doesn't involve "and a miracle"; none of the better scenarios are plausibly materially possible.
@moz @cstross The US right has been planning on a theocracy for three generations.
They can't give up patriarchal white supremacy and continue to exist; by alternative phrasing, their cultural continuity arises from being free to torture children. Once they are not, they either extirpate whatever functioning social power prevents them from torturing children or their cultural transmission ceases.
I would wish the majority of the US population could get their heads around the problem.
@graydon @moz @cstross I wouldn't say the US was planning on a theocracy for three generations. That seems to misinterpret history.
The alignment with evangelical christians were purely a GOTV effort. Mainstream conservatives never gave a shit about bible thumpers, just like how evangelicals never gave a shit about abortion until they needed a new boogieman to keep the coffers full after segregation was eliminated.
What's happened is that two generations now have been raised on christian nationalist propaganda, and the ones in on the joke have all died off, and so now there are only true believers. The first generation never had any intention of giving power to the nut jobs, but yet here we are, and as long as the line goes up, then it's all good.
@jonathankoren @moz @cstross The US Right that you have now is, as you note, all true believers, and the true believers have been planning this for generations as their numbers have increased.
(If you're not a true believer you presumably observe all the falsified axioms and alter your positions away from the paleo-conservative views of 1970.)
@graydon @jonathankoren @moz @cstross
Also, remember that the USAF were tracking the Evangelical Christians who were deliberately trying to join the regiments that control the USA nuclear weapons.
There were news articles warning about this years ago.