Carl Malamudstill shaking my head over the mozilla leadership page. It is more, shall we say, "extensive" than I would have every imagined possible. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ I mean, holy wow. Search the page for "VP" and you get 21 hits, there are 8 "chief" and 5 "managing" and 6 "executive."
in the interests of full disclosure, I had a very brief and I must say not productive tenure on the mozilla board (indeed, actually served on the audit committee!) when it was just getting started. I was gone within a couple of months. It was not a good fit.
Not just spitballing that one, here's proof positive in their 2006 tax returns that I was on the board (see page 21 of the return). https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/200097189/2007_12_EO%2F20-0097189_990_200612 Please scroll up to page 0 of the tax return and you will see in the document header that Public Resource was the source for posting this Form 990. How's that for transparency? :)
Bastian Greshake Tzovaras@carlmalamud but you know, poor Mozilla needs some more donations please š
Paul_IPv6you can't make the tone deaf decisions about your actual user base's desires if you don't have enough VPs to drown out your users. ;)
DianeIs mozilla where they store unneeded silicon valley executives?
Moses Izumi@alienghic @carlmalamud
no, it's the entity Google Chrome keeps around to dodge the inevitable antitrust lawsuit. /hj
no, it's the entity Google Chrome keeps around to dodge the inevitable antitrust lawsuit. /hj
bogosity@alienghic @carlmalamud I wish they'd just have a retirement home like the first one in this sketch for the execs
Monty Python- Architect Sketch
A different take on pig butchering
Dan Gillmor@carlmalamud They gotta do something with all that Google money, right? I mean, just focusing on making the best open-web browser is boring, right?
Xauri'EL Zwaan@carlmalamud yeah, guess it's easy enough to see where all the garbage about adware and AI is coming from
aburka š«£@carlmalamud what do they all even do all day
Sean BalaIn 2008 during the Great Recession I was undergrad at Harvard. We were the only Ivy that did not cut admin pay. Instead we cut hot breakfast and fired custodial workers. In all the hubbub, students discovered that there were 68 Deans at Harvard College alone. None of them got a pay cut.
jwz@carlmalamud If they're just handing that shit out, I'll gladly accept an "emeritus". Hell, I'd even stop shit-talking them for.... one meeeeelion dollars a year.
Pseudo NymBut how many telephone sanitizers from the B ark?
David Forsyth*Cries in C. Northcote Parkinson*
(1) "An official wants to multiply subordinates, not rivals."
(2) "Officials make work for each other."
Rycochet@carlmalamud Like an techbro themed PEZ dispenser, filled with mediocre people ready to fail upward rather than candy bricks.
Francis Cook@carlmalamud Iād like to see the graph. It all looks veryā¦ āinterconnectedā. Does make you wonder which poor sap all of these people are managing. Maybe it was the Firefox Developers Propaganda account on here?
Lars Hansson@carlmalamud It''s almost as numerous as the Apache Foundation leadership page
https://apache.org/foundation/leadership
https://apache.org/foundation/leadership
Shannon Clark@carlmalamud reminds me of an interview I had decades ago during the Web 1.0 era. At a startup. For the interview I walked past a row of VPās offices for my interview.
By the time I was at the office of the executive interviewing me I was certain this was going to fail.
No launched product but a I think like 8 or more VPs and a basic product that didnāt actually make sense (shocking I know)
They had however raise some large amount and had a lot of execs from large firms
Michael J. Gratton@carlmalamud This is standard practice under neo-liberalism - non-profit boards and c-suite are the soft landings for execs that failed in industry.
It's why our universities and art galleries and writers festivals and all the other previously beloved institutions are both being run as if they are for-profit corporation when they shouldn't be, and why they're all failing, as Mozilla is.
xaxat
oatmeal@carlmalamud more VPs than users
Pusher of Pixels@carlmalamud Vividly remember working at a company of about 1000 ppl back in the late 90s. And seeing an email congratulating the TWENTY ONE new Vice Presidents.
Like, did the previous ones all get hit by a bus or something?
And I'm sure entirely unrelated, said company, got dinged by the gov for sending very senior people to meetings to be note takers...lol Anything to be billable.
David SThat's just par for the course in American companies though. In my old company, everyone was a minimum of VP, even the most junior.
IT job titles have always baffled me
Daniel ".koolfy" Faucon@carlmalamud That's a lot of people failing miserably under any metric.
Åukasz Bromirski 
@carlmalamud hey, but they have this "cute" Kit as VP. See, they're fine with being "cute". And "funny". And have a "distance". They must be doing things "right". I hope they'll add more AI. There's definitely not enough AI there.
Old Fucking Punk
Jason Orendorff@carlmalamud If you are outside Mozilla and Firefox is the only thing they do that you care about, it makes sense to focus on the Mozilla Corporation part of this page.
The corporation, which makes Firefox, has 8 execs, 16 VPs (not counting mascots), and a board of 6. This actually seems a little light to me for a product with 200M daily users, ymmv
@carlmalamud Disclosure: When I worked at the corporation I met two of the people listed there, and saw a lot of their work. Staggeringly good.
@carlmalamud The page is misleading in the ways org charts are. It lists MZLA Technologies, which maintains the Thunderbird email client, as a peer to Microsoft Corporation, which makes Firefox. Mark Surman is listed 7 times because he's on all the boards.
Maybe it is good, actually, that the non-firefox stuff is broken out into separate orgs.
A board can be good or bad, but it isn't a sign of rot the way 48 SVPs of Nothing Useful would be.