i got a lot of friends that love to do that whole home automation thing. like a real luddite, i still get up and flip a switch for my lights. can someone explain to me the appeal? is there some killer feature that you couldn't do without? i don't even have my thermostat programmed, and i think it can do that already. #homeautomation #homeassistant

@ellyxir automating my thermostat cut my heating costs by 10%.

Yes, most of the time my lights are controlled by a wall switch. But having an automated one in my laundry room is really handy because wall switches are hard to use when your hands are being used to hold a full basket. Or have an alert let you know that someone forgot to turn a light out.

The biggest benefit I got, though, was from data collected by sensors. You learn a great deal that can enable you to make things more energy efficient and/or comfortable.

@mweiss 10% isn't nothing! good job! that reminds me, i should do the laundry!

@ellyxir and I love getting alerts when the laundry is done because I'm often out of earshot so I don't know otherwise.

Of course, I got fancy with it and have it alert only in the occupied parts of the house, but that's more because I could than because I must.

Monitoring can do great things. Because I added my own temperature probes, I was able to tell proactively that something was wrong in my refrigerator and didn't have to wait for food to spoil.

@mweiss interesting! yes, for laundry i have a timer that i set by turning a crank and set it for 90 minutes, thats how i don't forget my laundry because it will beep incessantly. how does the house thingy know that the laundry is done, does the washing machine have some API?? or pubsub?

@ellyxir in my case, it's plugged into a Zigbee power monitoring plug. I have a #homeassistant helper sensor that considers the washing machine to be on if consumption is above a threshold, and off if below a threshold. When it registers as off, it sends alerts.

Other people use vibration sensors, or have a smart appliance with an API.

@mweiss hah pretty simple solution, and here i was thinking the washing machine exported some REST API.
@ellyxir in most cases if there is such an API, there's already a #homeassistant integration to abstract it.

@ellyxir @mweiss The nice thing is that just about any dumb thing can be plugged into a smart power monitoring plug, and you can get power usage from it. Laundry appliances, dishwashers, refrigerators, etc., all can be monitored.

Turning the monitoring into an actionable alert is a matter of studying the power usage, then writing (or copying) a small script.