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Averil ✒️ DoomBloomArtIt's been a few years since I drew this. I still stand by it.
I don't repost this drawing as often as I'd like to because whenever I do, I attract insufferable bros.
If you are an insufferable bro arguing about AI images I will block you because I'm tired of your shit
Get it as bookmark:
https://doombloomart.com/products/support-human-artists-bookmark
I have it as a large print too (42x15cm) but unlisted because I haven't figured out how to ship prints of that size to anywhere except Germany lol
Hall of shame no 2
Just for the record: act patronizing = get called a dickhead + blocked
and I don't care how it makes me look in the eyes of the patronizing dickhead
Unlike you, I have the guts to call my insults directly instead of hiding them behind polite-sounding words. You acted as if I, and most other artists, are stupid. You deserved the insult and it makes me look like the bitch I am, and I am ok with that.
Manic Emo Dream Ghoul@doombloomart gross, both infantilising you but also fake as fuck, like AI slop trying to learn to talk politely via the most passive aggressive Nice Guy subreddit.
@BigShellEvent It's so close to the "You're absolutely right!" tone because he agrees with me several times even though he was there to pitch his "ethical" alternative without really agreeing about anything of substance with me lol
@doombloomart for real like a call centre burnt out worker aiming to get fired. I almost feel sorry for him
Seiðr
Annie Hsh 👾🖖☕@doombloomart AI bro logic™
Ludwig Vielfrass@doombloomart lol, what a dipshit.
I wrote a tune with a I, vi, ii, V chord progression. I must have plagiarized it. 🙄
Dirk Willrodt@doombloomart he stupid 🤷♂️
spooky Ske-Lil-ton 🦇@doombloomart oh my god 🤦 they can't be serious…
@Larymir This is never a good faith argument, but a wannabe-gotcha. I've been vocal about this AI shit and heard this exact argument a million times, but the depth of the argument never goes beyond "HAHA your art also looks similar to something"
Ana 💜@doombloomart Get a load of that guy and his whataboutisms amirite 🤣🤣🤣
Since you all asked nicely: the large vertical prints are available - either as a physical print shipped by me with my stamp on, *or* as a digital file so you can print it yourself because shipping costs are poopoo and nobody wants to pay them (understandably)
Physical print:
https://doombloomart.com/products/no-ai-support-human-artists-nouveau-art-print
Digital download:
https://doombloomart.com/products/no-ai-digital-artwork-for-print
https://doombloomart.com/products/no-ai-digital-artwork-for-print
Chip@doombloomart Digital download? Hell yeah. Time to fire up the fan fold continuous feed dot matrix printer. :D
@bytex64 Omg dang please tell me that's not a joke and you actually have one of those things :D
@bytex64 Omg!! :D
Was it you who actually bought it? If so thank you and I would LOVE to see it printed out from this machine!
Was it you who actually bought it? If so thank you and I would LOVE to see it printed out from this machine!
@doombloomart Yes, that was me. :) Gimme a sec, I’ve gotta figure out how to actually do it now. 😅
@bytex64 Dw I didn't want to pressure you <3
I'm just excited at the idea because it's so cool and I never operated a printer like that :D
I'm just excited at the idea because it's so cool and I never operated a printer like that :D
Eli the BeardedAh, youth
@elithebearded Mastodon is the only corner of the internet where I get called young :')
@doombloomart Oh I’m excited, too.
@bytex64 THIS IS SO COOL AHHH! Thank you for showing this :D <3
@bytex64 I love it! I love how it has the perfect format for fan fold paper :D
Thank you so much! Both for supporting me and for showing this print!
Thank you so much! Both for supporting me and for showing this print!
@doombloomart Glad to do both. :)
@bytex64 @doombloomart that sound is pure nostalgia.
Trammell Hudson@bytex64 @doombloomart is there a vector version for pen plotting?
@th Unfortunately the artwork isn't very vector friendly or at least not made with that in mind, featuring textures and all. I suppose you could posterize&vectorize it for this purpose but I don't know if the quality would be good. I can see later if the lineart alone can be autotraced half-decently though!
Ed@doombloomart If you ever figure it out, I'd love to buy one! Or two.
Your artwork is beautiful. <3
@EdCates Thank you for your interest! I think i could roll it but I'll have to test it because i don't know if the paper likes being rolled 
I will try it when it's not 1am
I will try it when it's not 1am@doombloomart I have gotten lots of art on paper of various weights shipped in rolled up tubes. As long as I don't inflict any damage myself, the worst it's ever needed was some time to flatten back out. Definitely worth checking out!
But you're right, not at 1:00 am. That is no time for paper rolling experiments.
@EdCates Heya! I have listed the prints now, after confirming that they can be rolled up without getting messed up!
In case you're interested. I've offered the option to actually get it shipped from me or to get the digital version to print it from a local printer to avoid the hassle.
Print
https://doombloomart.com/products/no-ai-support-human-artists-nouveau-art-print
Digital
https://doombloomart.com/products/no-ai-digital-artwork-for-print
@doombloomart Awesome! Just placed an order for the print version. 🙂
@EdCates Oh thank you so much! 🫶😭
TheNovemberFella ✊🏳️🌈 🇺🇦☸️🛰️🚀
mirabilos@doombloomart I’d buy two, but… I have noone I could gift the other to, I fear all the people around me IRL don’t deserve it as they’re insufficiently staying-off-the-slop-theft-machine 😿
Gulleko@doombloomart Thank you for drawing out the fuckwits so I can block them without the displeasure of interacting with them. 
Anya - GeekyTeaKitty
Ashwin DixitHere's a project I am working to bring to life. I think you will find it relevant.
@purrperl Hi there! I think it's admirable that you're trying to build an alternative that addresses some of the known ethical problems with current models.
That being said, your post is pretty brief and I don't know what the goal is and who this is for, other than addressing the named issues on a technical level. I personally don't see a use for LLMs for anything but pure language problems, and for art specifrically, tools that don't aim to put out a "result" are 20000% more useful to me.
@purrperl What I'm trying to say is that the AI assistance for me as a visual artist anything of the kind (text|img) -> finished img because even if properly licensed and compensated, it's still cutting most of me out of the process. I don't want that and I'm sure many writers, musicians etc see it the same way.
On the other hand there are ML-driven tools such as: "scan the body/hand pose from an image and apply to a low poly 3D model for rough reference" which I find immensely helpful.
I thoroughly agree with that, as I also enjoy the simple pleasure of applying pencil/pen/brush to paper and letting the imagination drive the exploration. That's quintessential to art.
However, as someone who has been programming computers since the early 1980s, I find LLMs immensely useful in programming, where the goal is more utilitarian than aesthetic. There is quantifiable "progress". LLMs let me get done in 1 day, what would normally take me 2 months of manual coding.
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Also, consider that till cameras were invented, all visual images had to be recorded by hand. Perhaps artists at the time of that invention were appalled at this witchcraft that cut them out of the process. Yet, today photography is an art form, parallel to painting. Nothing was lost, and something beautiful was gained.
I experimented with AI generated visual art a few years ago, and realized that in the age of AI, aesthetic standards themselves are changing.
2/n
If one is using AI to generate "pretty" images that would have taken a conventional artist decades of diligence to master, that's not really art anymore. That's now taken for granted.
One has to use AI, and its powers, not to mimic past masters, but to imaginatively push the envelope and take art to the next level. Who knows what aesthetic dimension this new artistic tool will open to us? In a few decades, there might be a new art form, to parallel photography.
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So while AI has left a bad initial taste in people's mouths, let's rinse off that bitterness, and be open to possibilities. After dating a bad guy, one should not quit dating altogether. Let's give the good guys, and the ethical AIs, a chance.
Just getting this new technology ecosystem off the ground, and I am personally thrilled about the possibilities. Wait and see. Maybe they will win over the current wave of artists, disgruntled about AI generated images.
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@purrperl Sorry, but pretending that artists are merely disgruntled and "not open" makes you sound like a dickhead.
Artists were interested in AI imagery before they became mainstream, myself included. We thought it was cool when it was still trippy, weird, clearly different from most human's art. We spent afternoons showing each other pur Wombo Art generations. We were open, until we learned about 1. how it worked 2. how it's being used to harm us
@purrperl You can compare it to the camera, sure, but the only thing they have in common is that they generate an image at the "press of a button", but ignore the fact that photography consists of physically going somewhere, setting the scene up, waiting for the perfect moment, editing, yada yada.
I would compare it more to something like Spotify. It does attribute and compensate, yet when you ask musicians, each and every one will say it's the worst thing that ever happened to the industry.
@purrperl I also reject the narrative of "new aesthetic dimensions". It's something that is easy to say, just like how i can say that I want an eierlegende Wollmilchsau (egg-laying wool-milk-chicken as we Germans say), but what does it actually *mean* and do we really want it?
How does AI *not* mimic the past masters given how it works, especially when you claim to use public domain and consent only?
@purrperl Also i absolutely would not be thrilled to get a PR from you where you coded in one day what would take you two months.
I do agree that these systems are better in coding than in creative endeavors but I also dislike framing coding as purely utilitarian. It is still a craft that people enjoy doing, where they're happy to find an elegant solution to a problem, utilitarian or not. To me LLMs are only "good" at coding because the vast amount of software we build are slop anyways.
b4ux1t3 
#1️⃣@doombloomart @[email protected] fun fact:
AI coding has literally never improved its code quality. https://entropicthoughts.com/no-swe-bench-improvement
I’ve been trying to get LLMs to generate code since before anyone knew what a Stable Diffusion was.
Oh sure, it’s “better” at passing tests (which it creates for itself), but that’s a function of the harnesses (the actual programs that execute on your computer, not the models themselves).
The current generation of AI tooling (in all domains) is bad at doing things humans are good at, because it’s all built on a foundation that is no where near purpose fit for the task; all modern AI tooling is based on language transformers, all piled on top of each other, with a heaping helping of semantic search (which this tech is actually good at and is the original and only reason it exists).
And so, if human language has trouble expressing a concept (like ART or MATH), current gen AIs default to basic psychological tricks to (appear to) work well. They’re basically mentalists.
That includes art generation (which is literally just a bunch of denoising algorithms with a text transformer to provide semantic understanding of user inputs), agentic coding (again, the tech under the hood there, the harness, is _actually really neat_, but doesn’t need to be driven by an LLM ;) ) and pretty much anything else that we use intuition or massive amounts of human experience to do.
It’s so fucking annoying, because on their own all of these tools have uses and are perfectly valid and useful, but, frankly, misguided, starry-eyed laymen who don’t understand how any of it actually works are too busy trying to misapply it so that they can become overnight billionaires to sit down and actually take stock of how utterly out of their depth (and the tools’ depth) they actually are.
@doombloomart (sorry I know that’s not your domain or your fight, just… heh, this guy is a dickhead)
@b4ux1t3 Oh dw, it is my domain and my fight too since I'm a SWE by day ;D
I agree with you. I did say that I find it better for coding than for art, but I still deeply dislike it for both after having tried them for both, but that's mostly because most coding tasks in an average corporation are just dumb CRUD shit while most artists have higher standards for their own output being interesting and particular.
@doombloomart Ha! I had no idea! Apologies if I came off as condescending, though I promise that wasn’t directed toward your comment specifically.
Re: code: yeah that’s my read, too. Like, it’s great to be able to get a quick and dirty rest/grpc/whatever else client in an arbitrary language without having to set up code gen. That alone is a killer use case for AI. There’s lots that a transformer model could be used for in programming…but we blew right through that station.
@b4ux1t3 All good! :D You didn't come off as condescending and even if it was aimed at my comment it would've been fine.
Yeah I think I agree with you overall too, there is probably some potential but a lot of the actually useful potential is just not the exciting stuff that money is getting poured into. I'm fairly certain that many of the actually useful things could've been achieved with much smaller systems instead of "chatbot does everything"
@doombloomart ha, yep fair. I just always prefer to be rude on purpose and not by accident.