Aral Balkan1d ago

RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215

“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.

Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.

Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”

Sabrina Web  📎1d ago
Show threadGrapheneOS
@aral The laws being proposed and passed requiring providing age brackets to apps and websites are a horrific invasion of privacy for minors putting their safety at risk. It not only enables targeting minors in harmful ways particularly for the lowest age brackets but also leaks their birth date to apps and websites on the day they move into the next age bracket. One of the biggest lobbyists for these OS level age verification laws is Meta which just lost a court case for exploiting minors.
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Show threadGrapheneOS1d ago
@aral These laws dictating the information can only be used for gating access based on age is beyond ridiculous. There's no doubt they're aware it's going to be heavily used beyond the permitted use. It cannot be excused as naivety. These same governments often treat birth dates as highly sensitive information usable as a core part of authenticating people's identity. Meanwhile, they're passing laws forcing operating systems and browsers to leak the birth dates of minors to apps and websites.
Show thread𐁂𐀑𐀐𐁐1d ago
@GrapheneOS @aral Meta is the primary driver of this among private sector companies. Their entire business model is showing ads to people, knowing exactly who they are. This is 1000% a blatant attempt to pierce pseudonymity online.
Show threadbrad1d ago

@Emerson61 @GrapheneOS @aral

Agreed that this is entirely about stripping online pseudonymity and age verification is just step one to acclimatizing people to having even more of their privacy stripped from them.

Show threadUriel Fanelli1d ago
@GrapheneOS @aral census is a specific function of the government. We can criticise govt because there is no state API to certify age. But, the fact census is a govt function, since 2500 years on, is out of discussion.
Show threadAral Balkan1d ago
@uriel @GrapheneOS Nothing is “out of discussion”. And without census data, Hitler couldn’t have found and murdered as many Jews during the Holocaust. So, no, something being done for a long time doesn’t make it sacrosanct or immutable. If that had been the case we’d still be practicing human sacrifice.
Show threadUriel Fanelli1d ago

@aral @GrapheneOS

those are the most stupid argument I ever heard. So much ignorance to debug.

Nothing is “out of discussion”.

Some things are, and usually they are teach in places we call  "schools". If you had jump on a school bus in the past, at least once, you would know.

And without census data, Hitler couldn’t have found and murdered as many Jews during the Holocaust.

Idiotic and flawed argument. I could say "without oxygen on hearth, Hitler could not kill jews". The argument is idiotic and ignorant, and logically inconsistent: I could also tell: without jews, Hitler could not have killed jews.

So far, no meaningful argument found here.

So, no, something being done for a long time doesn’t make it sacrosanct or immutable.

We call it "tested for 2500 years" . This means is pretty stable, non defective, and worth. Call me back when your solution to this issue , whatever it is , is capable to work showing no big issue for, say, 5 years.

If that had been the case we’d still be practicing human sacrifice.

This is not the reason you should stop breathing, IMHO. Why to keep this Jurassic  habit ongoing?

You sound as stupid as an American Trumpie.

Show threadAral Balkan1d ago

@uriel @GrapheneOS Whereas your verbal diarrhoea clearly Einstein level.

Do fuck off.

Show threadJoe | 🇵🇸 | 🧑‍💻20h ago

@uriel It depends on:

1. Which gov are we talking about? A gov that always practices justice and respects the constitution or a gov that's unjust and does not respect the constitution?

The govs we've seen are untrustable. So the answer is obvious: No justice, no constitution respect.

2. (Assuming the answer to the first question is "justice and constitution respect") Can the gov keep people's private data safe forever from malefactor?

The answer is always: No

Therefore, you're wrong

Period

Show threadUriel Fanelli20h ago

@joe9nf

  • Which gov are we talking about? A gov that always practices justice and respects the constitution or a gov that's unjust and does not respect the constitution?

    • Is not up to you to determine wether the govt respects the constitution, there is a dedicated court doing this.

    The govs we've seen are untrustable. So the answer is obvious: No justice, no constitution respect.

    this is no fact, is just your opinion.

  • (Assuming the answer to the first question is "justice and constitution respect") Can the gov keep people's private data safe forever from malefactor?

    • My government has tons of data of me. None of them have leak so far.

    Therefore, you're wrong

    Show your arguments, the pathetic whining I read is not an argument. Is just a little mama prince screaming "nothing is good enough for me".

    Period.

    Your sister.

    Show threadHenning9h ago

    @GrapheneOS
    @aral

    Good point! Using a birthday as any form of authentication is horrifying. So many services request a correct one for mundane things like gym memberships (yes you, #Crunchfit).