eta: thanks, i ended up suggesting DeltaChat, but leaving this thread open if other people are looking

hi can someone tell me how to either use signal without ever using a phone or another encrypted messaging service that doesn't require a phone?

note to the linux people that this is for someone who is dealing with meta removing encryption, it can't be too difficult

@forestine to my knowlege signal without a phone is impossible (thats one of the main complaints about it)
@forestine telegram would work im pretty sure but its encryption is dogey at best and its highly likely that russian intelligence at least can read it

@mjustm @forestine Yes, dodgy is an understatement for Telegram.

For starters, most conversations are not encrypted end-to-end. Group chats can’t be encrypted end-to-end at all. That means anybody with access to Telegram’s servers can read those messages. Telegram uses deceptive marketing to try to paper over that fact.

@rysiek dug into the Telegram protocol and found grotesque incompetence.

https://rys.io/en/179.html

Telegram is indistinguishable from an FSB honeypot

Many people who focus on information security, including myself, have long considered Telegram suspicious and untrustworthy. Now, based on findings published by the investigative journalism outlet ISt

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