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AeriRegularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life.
The_Almighty_WalrusAlso the guy who invented it learned the practice from a ghost during a seance
you’re fucking with me, right?
D.D. Palmer “received chiropractic from the other world” from a deceased physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson.
regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
Who are these mythical “real chiropractors” that you speak of?
It’s pseudoscience, and always has been.
go for alternative and wholistic chiropractors not mainstream ones. and stop spouting the American chemical medicine propaganda that any and all alternative medicines are shit. sure you can’t fix genetic shit with a chiropractor… but you are more likely to heal faster from a physical injury with a chiropractor than using meds and a physical therapist (by about 2-3 months depending on the injury severity).
You know what they call alternative medicine that works? It’s called medicine.
Is the healthcare system designed to extract as much value as possible from people? Absolutely, but unlike a chiropractor they aren’t likely to leave your paralyzed from a routine visit. “Alternative medicine” only really exists due to a historical choice by the FDA to not regulate supplements back when supplements were an absolutely tiny market and now the supplement industry is as big as the regulated medicine industry. One of these things is regulated so it won’t kill you/destroy your life, the other isn’t. I’d rather take the safer route.
Safe like the hundreds of FDA approved drugs that later turned out to be deadly? or safe like the FDA approved drugs that were found to be placebo effects? safe like the pills that have more warning labels on them than a nuke? or safe like the e-stims used by physical therapists that ended up hurting patients because there weren’t limits set on their usage?
oh and my personal favorites since you mentioned them. all of the FDA approved supplements that turned out to be terrible. like the Modern Warrior Ready capsules.
Some of the FDA’s biggest fuckups: opioids-- addiction Diethylstilbestrol (DES), 1971 – cancer Bextra, 2005 – toxic epidermal necrolysis which had a 50% lethality rate Vioxx, 2004 – the FDA ignored evidence of harm for years Fen-Phen, 1997 – the FDA ignored reports of horrific side-effects until a woman died Darvon/Darvocet – it took the FDA 50+ years to remove this after approving in it 1957
other fuckups by the FDA: slow response to contaminated baby food approving known risky drugs like Aduhelm allowing purposefully misleading marketing in 2017 an FDA inspector found serious issues with a Chinese manufacturing plant. superiors in the FDA ordered the issue to be ignored and even suppressed. Pharma kickbacks for approval of drugs (Pharma pays FDA to approve without testing) FDA director who took bribes to approve aspartame The protein scandal in China where the FDA knew that the tested samples were being spiked and the FDA looked the other way letting around 300000 children get sick, with around 54000 hospitalized and 6 babies died.
The FDA has a history of ignoring recommendations from advisory committees, taking bribes to let drugs pass inspection, and even knowing buries evidence of fraud in medical trials.
A physical therapist can leave you paralyzed after a single visit. you going to call them hacks and refuse to use them as well? and are you going to use contaminated medication just because the FDA says it’s safe? cause that’s the logic you are using.
The nice thing about science is that it can reevaluate studies, correct mistakes, make new discoveries… Science-based medicine is not and will never be perfect, but has the potential to get better and better. Methods not proven by science to be beneficial are not trustworthy, and it doesn’t matter whether they’re viewed as part of mainstream or alternative medicine.
journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/…/2011-06
it’s an interesting read about the American Medical Association written by the American Medical Association.
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
correction: chiropractors are not backed by studies funded by people who own companies that require you to pop pills for long periods of time.
remember that. and stop burying your heads in the sand like republicans do. it’s a sad and pathetic look for you.
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
The inventor of chiropractic practices literally said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Please educate yourself.
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
Chiropractors still use the ghost-taught tricks. Doctors moved on to use scientifically proven practices. They are not the same.
journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/…/2011-06
here is a link from the very group who claimed that Chiropractors were charlatans. it’s an interesting read that shows how the American Medical Association did every unethical thing they could to discredit chiropractors.
I did look up the main modern day opponents of chiropractic care. they all belonged to the same faction that did a bunch of unethical shit like straight up publishing fake deaths and injuries.
it and the cases involved are an interesting study. one that discredits 90% of all “Chiropractic care is harm” medical news stories.
eupraxiathis is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, craniosacral work is great for some people too, and both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now.
Why would you let someone who doesn’t believe in germ theory put needles in your body?
There is no evidence justifying acupuncture.
You’ll find more study in the West of “dry needling”, a technique directly inspired by acupuncture. Here’s one recent review.
I see an acupuncturist because she’s good at what she does, does believe in germ theory, practices in a sanitary way, and doesn’t claim to cure illnesses. These are the norms for modern licensed acupuncturists. I’m not saying every acupuncturist out there is like this, hokey grifters do exist in alt medicine spaces, and that’s kind of my whole point. It really depends on the practitioner.
Many of those studies in that meta analysis show limited short term effects.
Because there is no widely accepted sham protocol for DN research, researchers should incorporate cognitive influences that extend beyond the mimicking of tactile sensations to create a believable simulation of active dry needling.
I also think there’s a serious question about what sham/placebo dry needling would be, and if inconsistent standards could impact results.
Not to defend chiropractors or anything, but they legitimately have a doctorate degree and are given the title Chiropractic Physician.
Whether their studies they do in school are nonsense, they do get a degree for it. So they are technically doctors in some shape or form.
Honestly there is likely some small value in what they do, but that small value has almost definitely been absorbed into the Doctor of Osteopathy (actually medical doctor-like role), so I don’t see the need for them. Definitely think physical therapists are much more beneficial.
A highly trained phrenologist still cannot diagnose personality problems by feeling bumps on your head.
they can however diagnose issues for less money than a doctor.
it took $10000 of scans and 10 years for doctors to decide that my constantly sprained ankle as in fact a permanent bone bruise. it took 3 different chiropractors (at 3 different events) 5 minutes to diagnose that same issue.
the difference between the doctors and the chiropractors? the doctors are trapped by modern medicine and textbook diagnostic techniques. the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years before some nutjob with lots of money and a product to sell said no.
oh you’re also a racist, got it
the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years
Chiropractic was made up in the 1800s.
the word yes. but the practice of stretching and massaging muscles and shifting bones back into place has been around longer than your precious white man doctor has existed. or do you deny that China had doctors, masseuses, and the equivalent of a chiropractor for over 2000 years.
and let me guess… the answer is: you deny anything that isn’t in the bible.
the answer is: you deny anything that isn’t in the bible.
Are you stoned?
nope. however your bible does clearly state that people like me should be stoned. so go ahead. try it. 🖕
your bible
Where has anyone mentioned Christianity? Sham science is sham science.
let me guess… You believe in the holy FDA bible. which includes taking bribes, suppressing evidence of harm in medical studies, and outright ignoring advice about harmful medicine until the death toll gets publicized.
Acupuncturists and other “alternative” providers never kill anyone, of course.
Since you seem to worship the FDA as a god that can do no wrong and base all your bullshit on them. and since I know you are too lazy to look shit up without bias. I’ll give a summary on each.
Some of the FDA’s biggest fuckups:
opioids-- addiction
Diethylstilbestrol (DES), 1971 – cancer
Bextra, 2005 – toxic epidermal necrolysis which had a 50% lethality rate
Vioxx, 2004 – the FDA ignored evidence of harm for years
Fen-Phen, 1997 – the FDA ignored reports of horrific side-effects until a woman died
Darvon/Darvocet – it took the FDA 50+ years to remove this after approving in it 1957
other fuckups by the FDA:
slow response to contaminated baby food
approving known risky drugs like Aduhelm
allowing purposefully misleading marketing
in 2017 an FDA inspector found serious issues with a Chinese manufacturing plant. superiors in the FDA ordered the issue to be ignored and even suppressed.
Pharma kickbacks for approval of drugs (Pharma pays FDA to approve without testing)
FDA director who took bribes to approve aspartame
The protein scandal in China where the FDA knew that the tested samples were being spiked and the FDA looked the other way letting around 300000 children get sick, with around 54000 hospitalized and 6 babies died.
The FDA has a history of ignoring recommendations from advisory committees, taking bribes to let drugs pass inspection, and even knowingly buries evidence of fraud in medical trials.
but go on… tell me about a few rare cases of death from Acupuncturists and Chiropractors. It’s not like the FDA has resulted in the deaths of children… oh wait… I just listed a case about that.
And since you clearly want to ignore facts:
Navarro - 2006 Florida – doctors while knowing his family history of strokes, failed to recognize symptoms of stroke and misdiagnosed him with a sinus infection – sending him home with painkillers instead. The next day, he needed emergency surgery for brain swelling and stayed in a coma for three months. it ruined his career as he was a Basketball pro.
Applewhite - 1998 New York – after Anaphylactic shock her mother was advised by the EMTs to wait for an advanced life support ambulance. Applewhite requires a feeding tube, a wheelchair and is unable to speak.
DeGrand - 2018 Michigan --brought in for scoliosis surgery to prevent the condition from getting worse. partially paralyzed after Her surgeon placed rods and screws in DeGrand’s spine to help straighten it, but instead, it compressed her spinal cord and caused numbness in her limbs. By the time her doctor removed the hardware, it was too late to reverse the damage that had been done and that would affect DeGrand for the rest of her life.
Pierce - 2018 Texas – misdiagnosed by a doctor on probation (that the hospital knew had a history of misdiagnosing and preforming unnecessary procedures) and then left under a medically induced coma for over a month before some other doctor bothered to re-diagnose him.
Whyte - 2013 Florida – permanent brain injuries and failed to wake up from anesthesia after doctors performed a procedure called “Manipulation Under Anesthesia” at the Atlantic Surgical Center. The doctor admitted later on that the procedure had been unnecessary, and his reasoning behind it was unethical. he left behind 2 daughters.
Denton - 2013 Virginia – permanently disabled, with only half of his heart functioning, and with a significantly shorter life expectancy. According to results from a cardiac catheterization test, Denton had a 70 percent blockage in one of his main arteries. However, his cardiologist Dr. Edward Chu with the Riverside Regional Medical Center concluded that Denton’s heart arteries were disease-free and took him off of his heart medication ‒ switching him to an over-the-counter medication instead.
Tripp - 2017 Arizona – heart attack and permanent brain damage due to oxygen deprivation after she was prescribed the incorrect medication by a resident physician only eight weeks out of medical school. Profilnine is a blood-clotting medication, that per hospital guidelines, should be prescribed only in specific circumstances, including to patients who require emergency surgery or have serious or life-threatening bleeding; Tripp fell into neither of these categories.
And for added fun:
Dr. Morris Bolber - 1931-1939 Philly. serial killer credited with 30-50 kills
Dr Jack Kevorkian aka Dr Death - 1990-1999 credited with over 100 deaths. additionally was one sick fucker even before becoming a serial killer. He presented a paper to the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1958, arguing that condemned criminals could provide a service to humanity before their death. These experiments would be performed while the inmates were conscious and end in their fatality.
Dr. Kermit Gosnell - 1972-2010 - snipped the necks of over 100 babies (after birth abortions) not including the late term abortions he did.
Dr Thomas Cream - 1881+ - arrested and jailed for life but was released via bribes and started killing again. was in jail during the Ripper cases but claimed he was Jack.
Dr John Adams - 1956 - the inheritance killer. escaped justice and continued to be a doctor.
Dr HH Holmes - 1893 - if you don’t know who he is… you are an idiot. 200+ kills
Dr Marcel Petiot - WWII - credited with poisoning over 60 Jews trying to escape Germany.
Dr Jayant Patel (another Dr Death) - 1984-2006. Jail time suspended due to Appeal.
Dr Harold Shipman -1977+ – at least 236 kills.
Dr Walter Freeman (father of Lobotomy) - at least 490 kills. never faced justice.
Dr Carl Clausberg - WWII - Nazi Dr. need I say any more? probably a few thousand kills for him
Dr Michael Swango - Boy did the FBI screw the pooch on this one repeatedly.
Dr Josef Mengele - WWII - The Angel of Death. never faced justice. Without this sick bastard, we would not have Anesthesia. and many life saving surgeries are based is his sick and twisted experiments.
but sure. let’s go with your story that Doctors are perfect.
It clearly proves that Chiropractors and Acupuncturists are safer than Doctors.
103-115k Licensed Chiropractors in the world and roughly half that for Acupuncturists so let’s say 173k total… at a credited 100-200 deaths total in the world over the past 100 years. let’s say an even split on which profession caused the deaths. that’s 50-100 deaths per profession over a 100 year period. so 1-2 deaths per year.
there are roughly 9 million Doctors worldwide. 1 in 10 patients are harmed by Licensed doctors each year with an average of 3 million Doctor malpractice related deaths per year worldwide and an average of about 250k in America per year. so let’s say a conservative number of deaths in 100 years of Doctors fucking up… and accounting for improvements in medical care laws… 250 million Doctor related deaths in a 100 year period.
boy… 1-2 deaths per year to Chiropractors and Acupuncturists fucking up is such a small number compared to the number of people who die each year due to Licensed Doctors fucking up.
but go ahead and keep pretending you actually have a fucking point and aren’t grasping at straws. I get it… you really wanted to be a doctor. you clearly have met all the prerequisites for being an American doctor. You ignore evidence that doesn’t support your claims, you have a stick shoved so far up your ass that it regularly hits the moon, and you have the fucking god complex to go with that stick up your ass.
but Numbers don’t lie unlike you. I sincerely hope you never actually manage to get a license to practice medicine… you are bound to kill a lot of people with your own arrogance and stupidity. but do let me know if you do get your license so I know what hospital group to avoid.
you use the exact same tactics as MAGA and Trump. Might I suggest you change your lifestyle because I really don’t want to read an article that says “newly licensed Doctor arrested for malpractice in transgender, black and latino patient related deaths” with your social media accounts linked to that doctor. I know it would make Trump love you… but that’s not a great look in the history books.
Bro, I dated a nurse who saw a girl die in the ER after an adjustment from a vertebral arterial dissection.
You pulled numbers out your ass and pretend they are authoritative. Here’s a fun number:
Actual medicine does things. Chiropractic does nothing at best, and can kill you at worst.
Also the random bullshit about trump and queerness does zero to advance your argument, and really just embarrasses you. I am cringing as a leftist trans person myself.
and yet you still ignore the facts that Doctors kill and harm more people.
here’s my source for that 1 in 10 patients harmed by doctors:
www.who.int/news-room/…/patient-safety
and here’s another article about doctors fucking up:
hub.jhu.edu/…/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-…
and the source for the doctors who were serial killers: I admit I missed Dr Hazzard cause i was switching apps to write everything down. – side note… notice how Dr Hazzard was a Hazard for your health.
physiciansweekly.com/…/top-14-most-evil-doctors-o…
as far as regulation of chiropractors in the USA it’s interesting how you claim that Chiropractors aren’t doctors or regulated in any way:
www.nccih.nih.gov/health/chiropractic-in-depth
www.bridgeport.edu/…/are-chiropractors-doctors/
and see: # 42 CFR § 410.21 - Limitations on services of a chiropractor.
here’s a dumbed down version for the USA:
fclb.org/chiropractic-professional-regulation-faq…
nbce.org/links-to-chiropractic-state-licensing-bo…
and here’s a link to myths about chiropractors:
meridianhealthcare.net/chiropractic-care-myths-vs…
here’s a link to a history of chiropractors and the failure to discredit chiropractors written by a professor. the banner sucks for mobile devices but the sources he links at the bottom are especially fun:
esmed.org/perceptions-of-chiropractic-profession-…
my personal favorite: www.acatoday.org/about/history-of-chiropractic/
please note the big kick in your personal ass:
Congress passed legislation in 1993 to include chiropractic in the U.S. Department of Defense healthcare system. Today Chiropractic services are available to active-duty personnel at more than 60 military bases in the United States, Germany and Japan.
Legislation to include chiropractic in the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) healthcare system was passed in 1999.
ACP updated its guideline for the treatment of acute and chronic low back pain in 2017 to recommend first using noninvasive, nondrug treatments—including spinal manipulation—before resorting to drug therapies. A host of other organizations have since endorsed ACP’s guideline or issued similar recommendations.
for a bunch of dangerous hacks and quacks as you claim… there is a whole lot of regulations and licensing involved. it’s almost as if I didn’t pull numbers out of my ass or cherry pick shit like you did.
On behalf of all real leftist transgender people. I sincerely apologize… I forgot that even leftist transgender people can fall prey to the same trap of discarding facts and cherry picking statistics/studies as you have proven.
TetragradeOk your comment may have been dumb, but for $50 I’ll remove all the evil ghosts from your keyboard, and maybe you won’t get downvoted next time. Deal?
and for the low price of free. I can remove the idiot who likes to spout RFK’s bullshit deal? deal. blocked you.
You can’t block me! Because um, I already blocked you first!
Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.
Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
how pathetic can you lot get?
MulligrubsYou’re feisty and assertive, pretty good, but your analogies need work. Less guessing more facts
My facts come from published medical journals. not the first page of google which is mostly AI slop, paid advertisements, and “studies” that were all debunked or discredited weeks after being published.
but it’s ok. I know that most people can’t spring for the money needed to access Medical Journals (only about 28-30% of medical journals are open sourced and free).
Half the time when I read a medical journal that says that anything other than Western Medicine (pills and chemicals) are run by quacks… the study is paid for Big Pharma (obviously they will rarely publish anything that doesn’t profit them). and 25% of the time… within a year there are multiple studies and medical journals published debunking the first one. the rest of the time the Medical Journals state that while Alternative medicine doesn’t cure cancer or cure incurable diseases, the alternative medicines can slow down symptoms. Every Medical Journal I have found published over the last decade has even stated that Wholistic Chiropractors (different from mainstream chiropractors) can treat the aftermath of injuries including broken bones and torn muscles more effectively than Physical Therapy.
What most people criticize chiropractors for is feeling pain after a session. most of the time what really happens is that the body gets shocked and remembers to start using a muscle that it has been bypassing due to nerves screaming in pain. sure it does hurt at first sometimes… but it’s like taking a new medication. you have to tailor the dose and type of medication to your specific situation. a doctor often tries multiple medications over time until one works since not everyone responds the the same medication the exact same way. chiropractors do the same thing. they make an adjustment, see how your body responds, and modified their approach till it works.
take Citalopram for example. In most cases it helps as an antidepressant. but there are cases where it doesn’t work or makes things worse. or say different cancer treatments… same thing happens. not everyone responds to the treatment the same way 100% of the time.
Most people go to a Clinical style of Chiropractors which works for some but not others. and when that chiropractor’s particular style doesn’t work. they say all chiropractors are bad. it’s like eating a bad batch of shrimp and saying that all shrimp are bad.
I’ve gone to 7 different chiropractors over a 20 year period. the Clinical ones that use tools… they don’t work for me. my skin literally crawls after adjustments and my knee always hurts afterwards. But the wholistic ones that press on pressure points and make small adjustments to the spine and use that pogo stick looking tool (idk it’s name) they work for me… no skin crawling and no joint pain. it’s just that the closest one to me currently… is about 60 miles away. too far to drive over and back once a week. My best friend… any time she goes to a more clinical chiropractor, she’s fine. but wholistic ones don’t work well for her.
You obviously let that chiropractor crack your neck a few times too many.
Comrade_SpoodYou can also go to a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) who is an actual doctor and will crack your back in scientifically backed ways.
Is that another name for physical therapy?
Back in my old city, which has a large Chinese population, I went to a physical therapist a few times for a hurt back. The staff didn’t really speak English, but it was covered by workers compensation so I gave it a go. Those people were absolute magicians, I tell ya. I’m not exactly sure what they were doing, as I was almost always laying face down, but I’m pretty sure it involved needles, and they definitely did some electroshock therapy, but boy did it work great. I just let them do their thing, and it really seemed to help along the healing process.