joachim
The ongoing discussions about whether to ban #LLM code contributions to #Drupal core can be summed up as:
Antis: Using the child-stabbing machines is bad and we shouldn't do it.
Pros: It's fine to stab children in limited and considered ways. Lots of other things are bad for kids. And how would you even know if people have stabbed children? #FuckAI
Mar 25 at 11:04amWeb
Show threadJürgen Haas19h ago

@joachim
I need to disagree on this. What I do agree with is that there are far too many technologies, not just LLMs, that are threatening, and we as human beings urgently need to deal with the issues.

But making people assume that Drupal banning the use of LLMs would solve any of these issues isn't really responsible.

Show threadjoachim11h ago
@jurgenhaas It's not about solving these issues, and I think it's disingenuous and derailing to say that. It's about not having blood on our hands.
Show threadjoachim10h ago
@jurgenhaas Actually, it's worse than that. It's pessimistic and cowardly. Boycotts work.
Show threadJürgen Haas4h ago

@joachim
If we applied that threshold, we would have to do the same to cars, meet, big tech, banking, religions, and so many more threatening and/or unethical products, services, or businesses.

The result would be nothing else than back to the island, and nothing noticeable would happen or change.

I find that unrealistic and pessimistic. Instead, let's be better than those rather then banning or ignoring them. E.g. learn from today's LLMs and push their open source alternatives.

Show threadjpoesen | 🇪🇺 | 🏳️‍🌈2h ago

@jurgenhaas @joachim

Banning baby grinders will not solve the baby killing problem. Let's learn from today's baby grinders and push their open source alternatives.

Show threadjpoesen | 🇪🇺 | 🏳️‍🌈2h ago

@jurgenhaas @joachim

> "we would have to do the same to cars, meet, big tech, banking, religions, and so many more threatening and/or unethical products, services, or businesses"

You make that sound like a bad thing.

So if we can't stop all evil at once we shouldn't try to stop any? Sorry, but that's textbook whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

Show threadRalf Koller6h ago
@jurgenhaas @joachim I agree, a ban of LLM contributions wouldnt necessarily solve the problem, people would use LLMs anyway despite LLMs output cause more work than benefit at all. But the way bigger problem is to provide integrations into the Drupal ecosystem for providers like Open AI, Anthropic, X etc. Contrib modules that help to extend the reach of those toxic business models and toxic ethics. With that I have a real problem.