@jonny there was some quote from some big executive saying “in a few months AI is going to make email unusable [due to OpenClaw allowing any idiot to create personalised spam]”.
Surprised pikachu face.
This is not the tech we grew up with. This is big capital wearing its skin.
@jonny So those of us shouldn't bother starting new projects? Because we'll spend all our time defending our status as organics rather than hacking code?
This makes me wonder if it's even worth working on OSS anymore.
@drwho @jonny you work on FOSS for maybe the same reason you started: you have an itch that must be scratched. You share it to help people with a similar itch. You use code you trust because it helps you scratch (but maybe vendor it).
“Success” of OSS in enterprise tech was a wish granted by a monkey’s paw. Go back to the roots.
@drwho
I'm realizing my off the cuff thoughts here are being taken a bit more literally than I intended - there's a whole aura to AI code that isn't just timestamp and contributor count, its pretty easy to tell when something was written by a human being. I was mostly commenting on the similarity between what's happened to perception of video and perception of code - that in general post AI things have a higher threshold of trust and require closer scrutiny. I certainly would never lead nor encourage some witch hunt to prove humanity or vice versa, just like if I find some random GH repo lying around I take a closer look at who did it and how it was written.
tl;dr not giving up on FOSS
@jonny could be ai or #pastagang
i trust neither
@hipsterelectron
Ok, well that is a very literal reading of what I'm saying here, but I see how you might read it that way. Maybe a closer phrasing to what I meant is just what I wrote above, "much like how people use pre/post AI as a marker for whether a video is likely to be real or not, I use pre/post AI as one of several indicators when I am evaluating a piece of software". Basically I was being glib.
I don't think its nihilistic, I still write code and still run code written recently, and of course all the other sources of provenance and social proof and etc. still exist. I guess the analogy to the video case is instructive - real videos still get taken and its important to not dismiss all recent videos as fabrications, but for recent videos you have to take extra special consideration of where it came from and other contextual markers surrounding it
@jonny I lost my job in November, and while I haven't been looking hard, I've been dreading the landscape in finding a new senior job in the short term. But I'm optimistic in the long term because there basically isn't going to be a new generation of senior techs.
I'm the Low-Background Steel of engineering.
The Before Times.
Other timelines:
“Recently”: 2010 to 2020.
“The Other Day”: 2020-6 months ago
“When I Was…”: 80s-90s
“When music was truly awesome: hey, look, it’s SKA!”: 1987-1995
“C’mon, We Built This”: 1998-2009
Cf.:
“The Olden Days”: something like 1770-Boer War
“Web3 Era”: never happened.
@jonny I didn't find the post but this feels strongly like a text I read months ago.
Basically it was a sort of museum/library place in the future. But one was forced to remove every electronic device even that usual one so not information can be transferred verbatim I to the AI world:
Upon entering, there were rooms parted into
- books guaranteed to not be AI influenced 2010ish
- unclear if AI influenced 2010-2015
- part where the books/media must be taken as probably poisonous 2015+