Shadow79Are both of these things mandatory for EU citizens?
https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1914162/are-both-of-these-things-mandatory-for-eu-citizens
hobataThere is no such thing like EU citizenship. All countries have still some kind of independence and own laws. As far as I know nobody can be forced to vote, and in almost all countries there is no jury duty except of France, Austria and Belgium(?). But I am not sure about that.
whyNotSquirrelthere is in France? it must be rare as I’ve never heard anyone had to be jury
stormdelayIt’s uncommon but it is a thing https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1540
Of course there is something like EU citizenship. Read the TEU and TFEU. It is conferring its own set of rights but is dependent on someone being a citizen of an EU member state. Hovever there are cases were people who are the one aren’t the other.
There is no state of EU therefore there is no citizenship. You just have the citizenship of a member state.
You can talk about national citizenship all day if you want, that doesn’t change the fact that EU citizenship exists, comes with meaningful rights attached to it, even if it is not a national citizenship. Mind you, you did not say, that EU citizenship is no national citizenship, you said that EU citizenship does not exist which is demonstratively false.
Article 20 TFEU
“1. Citizenship of the Union is hereby established. Every person holding the nationality of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to and not replace national citizenship.
(a) the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States;
(b) the right to vote and to stand as candidates in elections to the European Parliament and in municipal elections in their Member State of residence, under the same conditions as nationals of that State;
© the right to enjoy, in the territory of a third country in which the Member State of which they are nationals is not represented, the protection of the diplomatic and consular authorities of any Member State on the same conditions as the nationals of that State;
(d) the right to petition the European Parliament, to apply to the European Ombudsman, and to address the institutions and advisory bodies of the Union in any of the Treaty languages and to obtain a reply in the same language.
These rights shall be exercised in accordance with the conditions and limits defined by the Treaties and by the measures adopted thereunder.”
chrisSpeaking for germany: no mandatory voting, no jury duty.
Being part of a jury is voluntary and you have to apply for it. It’s also probably quite different from the US jury system.
Same as most European countries, Germany has the adversarial system - no jury, just the judge.
Don’t know about elsewhere, but in Germany, for some trials, there are an additional 1 or 2 “lay judges” - non-professional judges from the community.
Quite similar here in Czech Republic. No jury duty, because there is no jury and voting is absolutely up to you.
There is a form of jury duty in Germany: Schöffe (honory judge).
[Schöffen] (de.wikipedia.org/…/Schöffe_(ehrenamtlicher_Richte…) duty can be mandatory, if not enough volunteers can be found (or are not deemed trustworthy enough by the local council).
You can however called up to be a Schöffe: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schöffengericht (no English version available, your friendly LLM next door should help out)
certain countries like Australia
Have you ever heard the saying that there are no kangaroos in Austria?
wiesonI wouldn’t say that compulsory voting is “stupid”. There are some very good arguments for it.
Firstly, it addresses the imbalance of cost of voting (the time and effort you need to spend to cast your vote) with its effect (the tiny fraction of impact your vote has on the outcome). This disproportionately affects lower income voters, especially in some countries like the US, where voting usually happens on a weekday.
Secondly, the outcomes are no longer won “by turnout”. In other words, to win the election you can no longer merely convince your supporters to vote for you, you need to actually convince people who don’t support you to vote for you.
Thirdly, and perhaps less convincingly, this stimulates the interest in the decision and the outcome. Since you have to vote, you may be inclined to actually form your opinion about the elections, and follow up on its outcomes.
In Italy voting is a compulsory duty. You don’t get a fine, but if you don’t vote for a certain number of times you won’t be allowed to vote anymore.
I call bullshit on that. Wikipedia says compulsory voting ended in 1993: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting
No forced voting in Germany and no Jury Duty (it’s crazy this is even a thing in the US). There are no EU mandates for any of that.
It’s not crazy really, there are good arguments to be made for it. We had it too in Germany until 1924: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschworenengericht
SynapseIn France, voting is not mandatory, and citizen-jury is not a thing.
Edit: jury is a thing and is mandatory, as pointed out below.
kyrahIn France, voting isn’t mandatory, but jury duty is a thing and is mandatory.