daggermoonIt's sad that people completely misunderstand what Star Trek is about.
StillPaisleyCatIt’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.
DickFiascoYeah, I always thought he was kind of a douche, but I guess his heart is in the right place.
SkullgridYeah, it’s shatner so you expect him to be crass, and you forget he was the first star trek captain. and agreed with the ideas being shown on screen (unlike, IDK, Barclay’s actor)
Jeffrey Hunter was the first Star Trek captain.
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise the starring role of the TOS series , Captain Kirk was played by Jeffrey Hunter. How many episodes was he in?
Captain Christopher Pike was played by Jeffery Hunter in the first Star Trek series, but was only in the pilot or something before Shatner took the reins. If you were sincerely asking.
I agree. It’s one of those nerd pedantic facts that people throw out.
Value SubtractedI think Shatner is complicated because (a) he’s 95 years old, and can’t be expected to be fully “in touch,” and (b) he has definitely had some questionable people handling his social media over the years.
true, and he went with BEZOs into space as a tourist and became disappointed after, only for bezos to laugh for no reason after spraying him with ALCOHOL.
joelfromausI just had to double check and holy crap I did not realise he is 95!
fixmycodeYeah. I wish people like him, sulu, and stephen king would abandon it already though.
Looking at the downvotes, I don’t think anybody realized you meant “abandon Xitter,” not “abandon using their platform for the greater good.”
Lol! That’s too bad
I recently learned that Shatner and Takei don’t actually use social media and all the posts you see from them are just some employees that were instructed to speak in their style.
cygnathreadbareI really dislike Takei’s one (Jay Kuo) because of how shamelessly he uses it to promote his own substack sometimes… and because of a specific substack post of his where he said “oh no it’s so bad Arizona got abortion banned… but there’s a silver lining, maybe they’ll learn to vote blue the next time” or some shit like that.
+3M people losing their body autonomy and the first thing you think is “hey this can be a good thing for our campaign”?? fucking ghoul…
I do recall an interview with Brent Spiner where he said something to that effect. I figured he (William Shatner) wrote some of them. I forgot about that.
It’s possible on a regular basis.
However, as with other high profile accounts, one expects that messages that are high profile would be cleared with the person under whose name the official account is made.
Startrek XXX… I had a different joke in mind but now I just want Startrek 10 the movie staring Vin Diesel 😎
UnderpantsWeevilPretty sure that was just Star Trek Beyond, the movie where the crew defeated a horde of ravenous space insects by blasting Beastie Boys hit single “Sabotage”.
In the early iterations of the 1960s smash hit Star Trek, audiences were shocked and titillated to see a white male officer in a romantic relationship with a black woman officer.
This continues to be shocking today, as modern audiences are not ready to see any (fully clothed) woman in any form of Sci-Fi media doing anything at all.
I guess i’m in the minority of people who thought Janeway was the best starship captain as a kid. She’s badass and she drinks coffee.
With you 100% on that. I love Picard, but it’s Janeway I’d trust to her me through the delta quadrant.
I agree, I love Picard don’t get me wrong but Janeway was always my favourite, she kicks ass and is just fucking cool
I really like Picard and Shran as favourites but I’d much rather work for Janeway. I really enjoyed the duality of her morals from Admiral Janeway breaking temporal directive to try to go back and save her crew at any cost. When I was younger I couldn’t understand how Admiral Janeway was so different but now that I’m older, I get it.
How can you not enjoy watching Tom and Harry strike out every 4th episode with the mythical twins as well. Absolute cinema. Also Borg ship ablative armor was fire.
Janeway was the best starship captain as a kid
Definitely feels generational. I’ve got a friend who is a Janeway diehard. But she didn’t really get into it until Voyager.
Picard will always be my captain of choice, but that might have its roots in watching the show as a little kid with my very bald father whom my mom teasingly referred to as “The Captain” when the show was on.
James R KirkUhh Kirk and Uhura were most definitely not in a relationship, they were forced to kiss against their will.
Deka Black@daggermoon That message is proof of we all still needing Starfleet.
MoogleMaestroGood shit to him. He’s 100% right here.
LillyPipThe new trek was cancelled because some people hated it and had outside influence.
So thanks, those of us who liked it don’t get any more of what we lifted because a few dicks had outsized influence.
I don’t get to enjoy something because you didn’t like it. Thanks.
You could have just not watched it, but instead you had to ruin it for me too.
Fuck you. We all need to stop watching these fuckwits who think they know more than us. Unsubscribe from these channels. Stop watching them. They’re ruining our ability to watch things.
The show felt unfocused and confused. The characters, like the storylines, were kinda all over the place and didn’t really seem to know where they were going. It had a lot of potential, but it never really seem to come together.
It was the first season (and only 10 episodes in, at that, because TV production is stupid these days).
Imagine if you could only judge, say, TNG on the first 10 episodes.
Imagine if you could only judge, say, TNG on the first 10 episodes.
Still better, more original, with characters (and actors) on a WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL.
On one hand, I would say that it was, by far, the worst first season of any Star Trek show so far. On the other hand, I don’t think it deserved to be canceled. Just heavily reworked, much like TNG after its first season.
But Kurtzman has a pretty poor track record, and it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse. With the exception of Lower Decks, which was exceptionally awesome. seriously. That show was fucking amazing, and I really miss it.
Academy has a great premise, and I actually really like all of the actors and the prototypical concepts for the characters, but the rendering of all of them is just a total mess. it’s hard to say what to do with all of them because, honestly, I hardly even know where to start. There’s just so much… I don’t even know where to start. It’s a lot. It’s like I have all of the ingredients for a really awesome Thanksgiving dinner, but someone put them all in a blender. And now I have to deconstruct the whole thing and start from scratch. Like, it’s all there, but someone makes it all up the wrong way. I don’t know.
I didn’t know the show was canceled. That’s too bad. It deserved another chance. You could tell all of those actors were working really really hard, and they all had a lot of talent. Honestly? I think that they deserved a lot better.
bthestUnfortunately they don’t work like that anymore. There’s no syndication or continuity resets anymore. Every season has to be a 12 hour movie, with every episode integral to the last. You just can’t do that for more a handful of seasons before show runs out of steam dramatically. Shows have be in the groove from the start or they’re just going to be cancelled.
All new Trek series feel unfocused and confused in their first season. Watch the first season of TNG or DS9 and tell me it was tight. Every Trek is kind of a mess at first.
Well… yes, but not anywhere near as bad as this. This was like a bad GHB trip, crazy nightclub setting and all. For any new television show, there are at least a couple dozen foundational elements that set the overall direction of the show and where it’s going, but for this show, all of them were crazy haywire, pointing in a bunch of different directions none of them coordinated. For a normal TV show, when a few of them don’t really work out, they can be re-oriented or smooth out or whatever, but that is made easier because they’re all kind of heading in the same direction. With academy, none of them were ever heading in the same direction, none of them really knew what they wanted to be or what they were even about, or where they were going, so there’s no way to smooth them out or rework them, because any new version of them is still gonna be going in some random direction and wouldn’t know what they were going to be.
If I were the one who was in control of all of this, the first thing I would do, besides firing Alex Kitzman, would be to reboot the show entirely. To make sure that, from the start, everything was coordinated and aligned, and everything was all heading in the same direction, and everything knew what it was, everyone knew what they were or at least where they were headed, and what they were eventually going to be, and we were all on the same page. That everything made some sort of sense, or at least would eventually makes sense, and that we were all on a journey to the same destination. Because, if anything was extremely obvious about this show, it was that nobody had any sort of destination in mind.
Luck, I get what you’re trying to say. Star Trek is very famous for having terrible first seasons for their shows. But this one… This one was different. This first season be lied the fact that no one was thinking of the same thing. No one had any sort of central planning for where they were going. Everyone working on the show was thinking of something different, and there was never any possibility of it all coming together at the end, and we saw that because, at the end of the season, it really didn’t come together at all. At the end of the season, every character, every storyline, every different location, ended up somewhere completely on its own. And nothing really ended up, making any sense at all. And, for every other Star Trek show, during its first season, they were at least able to resolve it in one way or another. All the arcs came to a conclusion, all the storylines ended up in one place, and everything was resolved. But in this case? We were no better off than when we were in the beginning. Lost and confused.
RamenJunkieThey DESPERATELY needed more episodes. Like they had this whole War College thing (don’t get me started on the stupid name), and then suddenly it was just kind of gone.
OK, so with modern TV production, that’s never gonna happen. What they need to do is find some way to transition the style of storytelling to 10 episodes per season. I honestly don’t know how they’re gonna do that, but they need to figure it out. And Alex Kitzman certainly doesn’t know how to do it. So they need it first of all get rid of his ass. He sucks his whole production team sucks.
They also need to get rid of their visual effects team. I really am sick to death of this hyper realistic unreal presentation of this needle in your brain CGI graphics. I hate it so much.
I really think they need to take a break for a little while and figure out how to adapt the 90s storytelling style to contemporaneous production style. Kurt‘s been tried and failed, and they need to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to do it again. And if the price we have to pay is waiting a few years before we get more Star Trek, I’m willing to make the sacrifice.
Sorry, what happened?
The new show was cancelled because not enough people watched it.
“Outsized influence” my ass.
Money talks. You think if the show hit the top ten in the streaming Nielsen stats that they’d cancel it because some people “didn’t like it”? Get real.
People are allowed to like something. People are allowed to dislike something. If enough people like it, the show gets enough viewers to continue. If not. It doesn’t.
People who don’t like it aren’t obligated to watch it just to prevent it from being cancelled for your sake.
This is the one thing I will never understand. If you don’t like something just ignore it. If you think you are in the position that your opinion matters in any way you can declare why you don’t like something once and then move on. All those grifters and their brainless drones consume stuff they don’t like willingly and regularly. People who are of sound mind don’t do something like this.
academy? kurtzman ruined every trek he showrunned, if they dint figure it out with STD, SNW, AND picard they arnt going to with academy. they are running out of Ideas for a trek show.
Isn’t shatner maga scum?
Edit: apparently not. Who the hell was I thinking of?
Nah, he’s a good Canadian.
Okay, he’s rich, out of touch, and a total dick to his coworkers. But I’ve never seen him express any particularly bad political views.
I think (but don’t remember specific instances) Shatner is conservative leaning but I guess the canadian perspective makes him very different to MAGA.
You are probably thinking of Robert Beltran? he went open about MAGA shit on twitter shortly after jan 6 IIRC.
That makes sense of it. It was years ago, and my memory was diluted by my contemporaneous stress. Thank you for making me feel a little saner.
You are also thinking of Shatner lol but his ego makes everything confusing.
MentalEdgeHe is.
Doesn’t mean we can’t take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.
He has it right here. That he doesn’t fully know that is his problem.
samus12345He’s such a straight white cis man! (Apparently that’s a slur to him.)