simpleSwitch 2 demand appears to be flagging as Nintendo reportedly lowers production
Nintendo’s Switch 2 got off to a roaring start but demand has started to sag, particularly in the US. Where are the big games to reverse this?
ampersandrewI’m rooting for the demise of what Nintendo currently is, but this isn’t so much of a story. They had lofty projections for sales and manufacturing to make sure that they could meet demand, they’ve met that demand, and it’s high. This is revising one quarter’s production down from 6M to 4M. It’s still doing well for them.
KhanzarateRight? They specifically set out to make sure it wouldn’t be scalped to hell and back after repeated complaints.
They did that, and now the product is real, and market predictions on existing products are much more reliable. The initial production wasn’t sustainable but wasn’t meant to be sustained, either.
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🔍🦘🛎The switch 2 costs considerably more in the US than elsewhere thanks to the tariffs. That tax is going to suppress sales no matter what, and there are other economic pressures that harm most people’s buying power as well
Chloé 🥕it doesn’t, in fact the switch 2 seems to be cheaper in the us than anywhere else (except maybe japan)
msrp is 450$ usd in the us, 630$ cad (458$ usd) in canada, 396£ (530$ usd) in the uk, 700$ aud (487$ usd) in australia, and 470€ (545$ usd) in france
i don’t think the tariffs are having much of an impact, or more likely nintendo is charging everyone to cover them
State+local sales tax at around 7.5% (weighted average) takes it to 480 USD (sales tax in the US can be 0 in a couple states, but is usually much more)
Minimum 5% tax in Canada too, swings back the other way.
Can’t account for tax on only one side.
I was under the impression Canada included sales tax in their pricing since usually people from the US are mocked for not having tax on their prices, the more you know!
It’s pretty confusing. Not everything is taxed, clothing and food aren’t for example, but processed food is. So they can’t include the price? Not every province is the same either, some have pst exemptions, some include both together as an hst.
I’m in AB where it’s simple and you just add 5%.
We copy their dumb shit a lot. It sucks.
We also have sales taxes in Canada, but that precentage depends on the province or territory. So you could expect the Canadian price to go as high as $710 CAD.
The games are $99.99 on the shelf for Canada too. Just seeing that is immediately revolting. $110 for the “switch 2 upgrade pack” versions of games, like BOTW. A fucking switch 1 launch title that is currently 9 years old.
Yea, honestly I don’t know anyone that has bought or plans on buying a Switch 2, but I know a lot of people that bought or have Switch 1. Of course, that’s anecdotal, but shits just way too pricey. I and most that I know got into the Switch because of the affordability and on-the-go console play. Half of that equation is gone, and we already have the on-the-go console play with Switch 1.
And now the price point competes with handheld pcs
The value proposition just isn’t there. Much more expensive for better performance and… pokemon pokopia? There aren’t any games really taking advantage of that increased performance that I am aware of. My switch 1 still works. I’d like better performance, but not $500 worth
NOT_RICKDK Bananza is fun but I don’t think it’s worthy of buying a new system. It’s also pretty cool running Cyberpunk on such a slim system but there’s plenty of ways to play that. It’s got a strong third party base already, but I do think this calendar year’s first party releases will be really important for the system.
They also released an update so all switch 1 games can run in docked mode when the switch 2 is in portable mode, but that only benefits those that use the system portably often.
My Switch Lite with Diablo 2, Brotato and Balatro will last me till heat death
That’s why most people I know got the switch. They got it in spite of bad performance to play older 3rd party games on a portable, social format. Can play with friends, on the bus, on the couch. Don’t really need better specs to do that.
The nintendo games are largely just a bonus, imo. They’re very expensive and I personally wouldn’t seek them out if I didn’t also own a switch. If I had kids or was a kid that’d be a different story, probably.
Exactly. Until the last year or so, it was simply the best handheld you could get. Is it good as a current-gen console, obviously not. But you could play nearly anything on it, and the Lite is surprisingly reliable compared to the standard’s issues with stick drift etc
The only thing the Switch 2 has over similarly priced Linux-based handheld PCs these days is The Duskbloods
Yeah, this is the “tock” part of the “tick-tock” hardware cycle. People bought the Switch because it was refreshing and a new way to play. Now Nintendo is offering to let us pay again and more for nearly the same. It’s a little cynical but true.
They could have called it the SwitchU, but honestly that’s a disservice to the WiiU - its second screen had more innovation.
KraeuterRoyThing is, a lot of people, me included, were asking for a more powerful Switch rather than something entirely new. Its just a compelling form factor.
What I did not want (and what’s the reason I never bought a Switch 2) were 70-80 bucks a game, subscription based hardware features, gimmicky shit like the camera on a stalk and the sheer audacity to charge 10 quid for a shitty tech demo / marketing game.
And yet, so many people still bought a Switch 2 - so I guess Nintendo did the right thing…financially.
To me, the problem is that this is the Switch Pro, and they called it the Switch 2. The marketing psychology makes a big difference. Switch Pro would imply it coexists alongside Switch and is for those who want to pay for more performance. Switch 2 implies that it’s something worthy of abandoning the prior generation. I think the former is fine (even desirable) and the later is just a bad value proposition.
Also interesting there were leaks about a Switch Pro a year or so prior to the Switch 2 reveal. My guess is the Switch 2 IS the Switch Pro.
LemmyngAny games that do take advantage of the increased performance cost $5-20 extra.
One of the smartest thing Nintendo could have done, and it seemed like they were doing this with BOTW/TOTK was to offer the upgrade for free with NSO Expansion Pak memberships, to increase the value of NSO Expansion Pak, get more people to sign up for NSO Expansion Pak and make the Switch 2 a more viable purchase.
BUT NAAAAAAH, ROTFLMAO, $20 ON TOP OF $70 ANNUALLY ON TOP OF $70 GAMES COMING OUT MONTHLY ON TOP OF A $450-500 CONSOLE + $100 ACCESSORIES IS MOTHERFUCKING CRAZY.
I would take a new fire emblem game, but certainly not a full upgrade for it.
I upgraded to the OLED model years back and it works fine for me.
Games costing $70+ is a giant turn off for me with that console. I would like portable cyberpunk, but I’m not buying that several year old game for $70
That’s why you buy a Steam Deck instead, pirate Cyberpunk and be able to play it with mods for much better performance than on the Switch 2. Plus, you can pirate a shit ton of other games. Proton on Steam Deck has come a VERY long way.
samus12345buy a Steam Deck
Yeah, not really an option now, unless you want to pay scalper prices.
Regrettable_incidentI played cyberpunk on my steam deck - it’s my only device. I picked it up on sale for £22
sp3ctr4lAs of 2 days ago, FSR 4 works on a Steam Deck, w/Cyberpunk:
youtube.com/watch?v=0er-7pyMr3Q
This will also work on AMD 6000s and 7000s series cards.
NEW FSR 4.0.2b for older AMD & NVIDIA cards!! Optiscaler doing AMD's Job!
Cool! I’ve been meaning to give cyberpunk another playthrough when I get time.
They could try lowering the price instead. I mean, paying $600 to play the newest Mario Kart seems a bit high. At that price, I’ll replay all the games they are re-releasing on switch 2 on my switch. What’s the point of a Switch 2?
The new Mario kart is shit too. Did 1 of each gp and uninstalled to bring back mk8.
QuentinCallaghanThere aren’t enough appealing Switch 2 games at least for me, the price should go down and I rather wait for that EU model with easier battery-swapping.
DevolutionExpensive console + $80 games - decent amount of games = Fuck Nintendo???
Ya I eventually night a switch 1 and I loved it. I’ve got stacks of games, some which I haven’t even played yet.
Also a long time PC gamer with shit tons of games in gog and steam and other stores. I bought a steam deck on sale a year or so ago. Now my library is practically endless, especially when you consider emulation. It also plays switch 1 games pretty damn well…
People ain’t got no money.
Doing the math, they’d have more than enough for a Switch 2 if they didn’t subscribe to 2nd internet on the Switch 1.
It’s funny how people don’t realize how subscriptions cost them in the end.
FRYDThey’re a business and they need to make money.
If you’re too poor to afford video games, then you shouldn’t be playing them.
If I have a PC (which is practically a necessity for modern life anyways), I can get a bunch of fantastic titles on Steam for super cheap right now from their Spring Sale. If you’re too poor to afford a Switch 2, there are plenty of other options.
Please, leave the poor billion dollar company alone :(
Kyden FumoflyIt’s not about affording something, it’s about it’s value. Nintendo is way overpriced atm.
If you’re too poor to afford video games, then you shouldn’t be playing them.
Shame there isn’t a gaming platform that often has tons of really cheap and often completely free games. One that has multiple storefronts, each with regular sales. Darn I guess that just means I’ll have to quit games entirely. For the sole reason of being too poor to afford overpriced hardware and overpriced games from a singular company regularly known for overcharging nostalgia bait games. Entirely because one person on the internet told me to, all so he could defend a billion dollar international company.
AFallingAnvilThat’s 80$-90$ in Canada, that’s just waaay too much for a video game.
It’s a price thing for me to for the most part.
If they had better first party games, I’d be tempted, but even then.
Also them banning consoles of people who bought used games is a big no for me.
That means the only way to protect myself is to way until the system gets hacked and play on a hacked system disconnected from Nintendo.
So, that’s what I’m waiting for.
BurgerBaronIn theory I’d be upset with that but there’s no games to buy anyways.
As a long time Nintendo fan since the NES, Switch 2 is the first Nintendo console (except Virtual Boy, I suppose) that I did not go out and purchase day 1. I still have no real interest.
I like physical carts and the idea that a cart is really just a license key to download a game is a no-go for me right from the start. $80 games. So heavily tied to the online account that any ban, accidental or otherwise, effectively bricks the console. No games that interst me (other than Metroid, which I just bought for Switch 1).
Add all that together and I don’t know if/when I will ever get a S2 at this point. Maybe in a few years second hand. We’ll see.
Same boat. Nintendo fan since the NES, this is the first one I don’t want to buy (I even had a Virtual Boy, although I got it cheap on clearance). The quality of their games has dropped while the cost of their games and hardware have gone up. I’m sure I’ll play the good games they release that I missed eventually, whether via emulation or a cheap used one MANY years from now.
Well when you funnel everything to 1% eventually nobody can buy. That’s the whole point of the system.
Carighan MaconarCareful with these re-citations. The original Bloomberg article is ny Mochizuki, someone who has consistently pulled things out of his arse for years now.
Unless you’re currently playing on your Switch 1 4k Pro model that arrived ~2 years ago, I would not give much weight to this.
(and even if, the cited 4 mil sales is an insanely high number, even the Switch 1 only once managed an actual 6 mil quarter average for 24 mil in a year - but like I said, it’s very likely made up entirely, given the author)