FredVegroxHow would it be thought good to continue the same use of animals?
We evolved to eat meats and vegetables. I won’t stop eating meat because of people spamming these vegan bs. I feel the best when my diet includes a lot of animal products and will therefore continue to do so.
Not a vegan but since when is posting vegan content to a vegan community “spamming”?
Why are you even in here!?
Yeah, if you can’t respond to vegans respectably in their own space block it. I’m also not one, but I respect their lifestyle so I don’t feel the need to block them. Unlike the carnivore community which I can’t interact with respectfully.
People eat way more meat than humans “evolved to eat” and more than is healthy. Stop pretending it’s about biology. It’s not. Humans are omnivores and are perfectly fine without animal products.
Eat meat if you want to, but please be honest to yourself. You don’t need it, you want it. And you support unfathomable cruelty doing so. That is not “vegan bs”, but reality.
I’m not vegan myself, not even strictly vegetarian. Still I can acknowledge OPs point wholeheartedly.
Edit: also I just noticed this is a vegan community. Just block it and go on with your life instead of whining about so called spam??
We absolutely are not okay without eating animal products. I have just been diagnosed with a vitamin B12 deficiency and have learned this lesson personally. We are now capable of living without animal products but we are by no means healthy without them
TheTechnician27We absolutely are not okay without eating animal products.
Please don’t spread pseudoscientific bullshit based on anecdotal evidence. Not only are humans “now” capable of living without animal products, but meta-analysis after meta-analysis (linked is just a sample) shows that humans are healthier for it.
The extent of that health benefit? That’s a grey area that can make for a rational discussion. That it’s blanket unhealthy? The exact opposite of what modern medical science says, and we don’t put up with it here – not for ethical reasons, because “plant-based dieting is healthy” isn’t a tenet of veganism, but because medical disinformation isn’t allowed on Lemmy.World (and shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere).
In light of Lemmy.World's new ToS regarding "unhealthy diets", here are some credible resources on that matter as it pertains to a plant-based diet in humans - Lemmy.World
If you’re here because of the “drama”, congratulations, I am too apparently. If you’re also here with the position that a vegan diet is unhealthy in humans, I’m begging you for a toilet break’s worth of your time. The contents of this post are wholly divorced from ethics or environmental concerns, are not here to “own you with facts and logic”, and are focused solely on human health through the quoting of scientific literature. For as many of these as I can, I have provided links to the full text on the NCBI’s PubMed Commons in the interest of transparency. — * It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes […] Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. —Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (2016) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/] — * Based on this systematic review of randomized clinical trials, there is an overall robust support for beneficial effects of a plant-based diet on metabolic measures in health and disease. —Translational Psychiatry (2019) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6742661/] — * In most countries a vegan diet has less energy and saturated fat compared to omnivorous control diets, and is associated with favourable cardiometabolic risk profile including lower body weight, LDL cholesterol, fasting blood glucose, blood pressure and triglycerides. —PLoS One meta-analysis (2018) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6301673/] — * This comprehensive meta-analysis reports a significant protective effect of a vegetarian diet versus the incidence and/or mortality from ischemic heart disease (-25%) and incidence from total cancer (-8%). Vegan diet conferred a significant reduced risk (-15%) of incidence from total cancer. —Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition (2017) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26853923/] — * The present systematic review and meta-analysis showed a 15% and a 21% reduction in the relative risk of CVD and IHD, respectively, for vegetarians compared to nonvegetarians, but no clear association was observed for total stroke or subtypes of stroke. In addition, an 18% reduction in the relative risk of IHD was observed among vegans when compared to nonvegetarians, although this association was imprecise. —European Journal of Nutrition (2023) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9899747/] — * Adequate intake of dietary fiber is associated with digestive health and reduced risk for heart disease, stroke, hypertension, certain gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and certain cancers. According to consumer research, the public is aware of the benefits of fiber and most people believe they consume enough fiber. However, national consumption surveys indicate that only about 5% of the population meets recommendations, and inadequate intakes have been called a public health concern […] The IOM defines total fiber as the sum of dietary fiber and functional fiber. Dietary fiber includes nondigestible carbohydrates and lignins that are intrinsic and intact in plants; functional fiber includes isolated, nondigestible carbohydrates that have beneficial physiological effects in humans. Common sources of intrinsic fiber include grain products, vegetables, legumes, and fruit. —American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine (2017) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6124841/] — * [R]ecommendations to increase fruit and vegetable consumption, while decreasing saturated fat and dairy intake, are supported [for asthma] by the current literature. Mediterranean and vegan diets emphasizing the consumption of fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes, while reducing or eliminating animal products, might reduce the risk of asthma development and exacerbation. Fruit and vegetable intake has been associated with reduced asthma risk and better asthma control, while dairy consumption is associated with increased risk and might exacerbate asthmatic symptoms. —Nutrition Reviews (2020) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7550896/] — * Over the past two decades, a substantial body of consistent evidence has emerged at the cellular and molecular level, elucidating the numerous benefits of a plant-based diet (PBD) for preventing and mitigating conditions such as atherosclerosis, chronic noncommunicable diseases, and metabolic syndrome. —Nutrients comprehensive review (2023) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10386413/] — * Consumption of vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, is associated with lower levels of plasma lipids, which could offer individuals and healthcare professionals an effective option for reducing the risk of heart disease or other chronic conditions. —Nutrition Reviews systematic review and meta-analysis (2017) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5914369/] — * After adjusting for basic demographic characteristics, medical specialty, and health behaviours (smoking, physical activity) in model 2, participants who followed plant-based diets had 73% lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 (OR 0.27, 95% CI 0.10 to 0.81) compared with participants who did not follow plant-based diets. Similarly, participants who followed either plant-based diets or pescatarian diets had 59% lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 (OR 0.41, 95% CI 0.17 to 0.99) compared with those who did not follow these diets. —British Medical Journal (2021) [https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/4/1/257] — * Current research suggests that switching to a plant-based diet may help increase the diversity of health-promoting bacteria in the gut. However, more research is needed to describe the connections between nutrition, the microbiome, and health outcomes because of their complexity and individual heterogeneity. —Nutrients systematic review (2023) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36986240/] — * [T]his systematic review shows that plant-based diets and their components might have the potential to improve cancer prognosis, especially for breast, colorectal and prostate cancer survivors. —Current Nutrition Reports (2022) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9750928/] — * Moderate evidence suggests that adhering to vegan diets for at least 12 weeks may be effective in individuals with overweight or type 2 diabetes to induce a meaningful decrease in body weight and improve glycemia. —Obesity Reviews systematic review and meta-analysis (2022) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9540559/] — * The data discussed in this systematic review allow us to conclude that plant-based diets are associated with lower BP and overall better health outcomes (namely, on the cardiovascular system) when compared with animal-based diets. —Current Hypertension Reports (2023) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10224875/] — * There are multiple benefits of a vegan or vegetarian diet [six listed, too long to quote here] in the management of CKD […] —Journal of Renal Nutrition (2019) [https://www.jrnjournal.org/article/S1051-2276(19)30026-3/fulltext] — * The present systematic review provides evidence that vegan and vegetarian diets are associated with lower CRP levels, a major marker of inflammation and a mediator of inflammatory processes. —Scientific Reports (2020) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7730154/] — * Evidence strongly suggests that plant-based dietary patterns that are abundant in fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, and whole grains with less emphasis on animal foods and processed foods are a useful and a practical approach to preventing chronic diseases. Such dietary patterns, from plant-exclusive diets to plant-centered diets, are associated with improved long-term health outcomes and a lower risk of all-cause mortality. Given that neurodegenerative disorders share many pathophysiological mechanisms with CVD, including oxidative stress, inflammation, and vascular damage, it is reasonable to deduce that plant-based diets can ameliorate cognitive decline as well. —Advances in Nutrition (2019) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6855948/] — * [T]he current study presents evidence that plant-based diets, among which the vegan diet, have no effect on physical performance, including on strength/power performance. It is noteworthy that aerobic performance may be even benefitted by these diets. —British Journal of Nutrition systematic review and meta-analysis (2024) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37869973/] — * [H]igher adherence to plant-based dietary patterns, especially from healthy sources, may be universally beneficial for the primary prevention of T2D, CVD, cancer, and mortality. —Nutrition Journal systematic review and meta-analysis (2023) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10548756/] — * This umbrella review offers valuable insights on the estimated reduction of risk factors for cardiometabolic diseases and cancer, and the CVDs-associated mortality, offered by the adoption of plant-based diets through pleiotropic mechanisms. Through the improvement of glycolipid profile, reduction of body weight/BMI, blood pressure, and systemic inflammation, A/AFPDs significantly reduce the risk of ischemic heart disease, gastrointestinal and prostate cancer, as well as related mortality. —PLoS One (2024) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11095673/] — * In this community‐based cohort of US adults without cardiovascular disease at baseline, we found that higher adherence to an overall plant‐based diet or a provegetarian diet, diets that are higher in plant foods and lower in animal foods, was associated with a lower risk of incident cardiovascular disease, cardiovascular disease mortality, and all‐cause mortality. —Journal of the American Heart Association (2019) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759882/] — * In this meta-analysis of prospective observational studies, we found that greater adherence to a plant-based dietary patterns was inversely associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes. These findings were broadly consistent across subgroups defined by various population characteristics and robust in sensitivity analyses.—JAMA Internal Medicine (2019) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6646993/] — * Our findings suggest that a shift in diet from a high consumption of animal-based foods, especially red and processed meat, to plant-based foods (e.g., nuts, legumes, and whole grains) is associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, CVD, and T2D. Thus, a change in dietary habits towards an increment of plant-based products appears to be important for cardiometabolic health. —BMC Medicine systematic review and meta-analysis (2023) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10652524/] — * Not only is there a broad expansion of the research database supporting the myriad benefits of plant-based diets, but also health care practitioners are seeing awe-inspiring results with their patients across multiple unique subspecialties. Plant-based diets have been associated with lowering overall and ischemic heart disease mortality; supporting sustainable weight management; reducing medication needs; lowering the risk for most chronic diseases; decreasing the incidence and severity of high-risk conditions, including obesity, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and hyperglycemia; and even possibly reversing advanced coronary artery disease and type 2 diabetes. —The Permanente Journal (2016) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991921/]
Brave of you to comment this in the vegan community 😅
I’m also not vegan but I absolutely support ending factory farming, cutting down on meat in general (even free range), and having a veg-first diet. I think we can be better, even if we don’t go vegan. For me personally, the environmental impact (methane) is more significant than any moral directive.
OP, the cognitive dissonance you point out is totally valid. I honestly think it almost entirely boils down to how far removed we (the general population) are from the process that ends with ingredients in the fridge.
If you took me to a chicken coop, gave me a butcher knife, and told me I had to prepare dinner with one of the little fellas I’d probably make a run for it. Which is quite hypocritical of me as a chicken enjoyer.
Perhaps another small part of it is the boundary of what people can/cannot empathise with. To be completely honest I feel far less for things like shrimp and oysters than I do about cows and chickens. I don’t know if that’s backed by the science (they don’t “feel”/comprehend as much) or just my narrow mindedness about how other life forms work.
suodrazahAnd their ancestors most likely ate like peasants not royalty. They can’t drink bacon fat at every meal, I’m still going to find them at least as annoying as the vegan.
Okay but i want my treats so what if i juat dont think about them? Does that work?
-sent from my iphone. Dont ask where the minerals come from.
what if i juat dont think about them? Does that work?
Ah, the Epstein defense. The only argument that beats veganism.
Also climate change. Supply chain disruptions. Fascism.
FlyzeyezI will bite, my take is that responsibility, accountability and empathy are all things lacking in society that encourages and rewards selfishness and betterment of self above all else. It really is a shock when you mention these things to people that then associate what you are saying with “their” food. You are attacking the very sense of self, ego and identity which leads to defensive reactions that are not based on logic let alone empathy. The only way to change this is to address the systemic reliance on self promotion and preservation, but this means equality and communities at all levels to not discriminate amongst people within them and support them with basic needs, including quality education that supports critical thinking and comprehension. With this, people will be more receptive and it will be less about advocating on behalf of those species that can’t or fighting against long held traditions and more that they will find this to be a reasonable thing that they conclude themselves because they no longer have to fight for their place or status in society.
We don’t need that much education to understand the argument, it’s quite simple actually:
You and animals both feel and want to live.
You don’t want others to harm your feelings or end your life.
If everyone respected eachothers feelings and desire to live, people wouldn’t harm you.
Therefore, we shouldn’t mess with the feelings and desire to live of beings that can feel and want to live.
And if nobody harmed each other or animals, there’d be no vegans.
Now, where to from here? Tell people you have an answer to a problem they don’t have, or to solve their problems so they understand yours?
Most of the people I outreach when doing activism are actually against exploiting animals when there is no need. It just follows that if you believe that and don’t want to be a hypocrite, you have to be vegan. Non-blacks that supported the civil rights movements didn’t do so because someone ‘tell them an answer for a problem they didn’t have’, they did so because they thought it was the right thing to do. It’s the same with veganism, people against needless animal exploitation will go vegan, they just need to be educated on what they are supporting. Most people I talk to have no idea how animals are exploited.
I’m not sure what you’re proposing, I’d love to listen to some actionable ideas that would help abolish or minimize animal exploitation though.
Vegans: Make a community for themselves
Meat-eaters: See block button. Choose to downvote/comment against it instead.
If posts about veganism are that offensive to you, just block and move on. If there were a com about meat-eating, that’s what I’d do with it.
Okay, all you wonderful, reasonable people, I’m ready for your downvotes!
I admire your discipline. I usually fuck around in meat eating communities until I get banned.
nobody cares or gets offended there though so… yeah. nobody cares
fallaciousBasisAnd bring some more egg rolls while you’re at it!
I’m fucking huge, idk how manly I am.
Vegans: Make a community for themselves
Meat-eaters: See block button. Choose to downvote/comment against it instead.
Oh nooo, our echo chamber is being invaded by discussion!
I’ve never seen a good faith argument against veganism in my life. It’s all trolling and tired “jokes.”
insurrectionI don't believe there are any good arguments against veganism, but there are plenty of bad arguments for it.
The only good argument I know against veganism/vegetarianism these days is that meat tastes good. It’s the only thing stopping my ADHD ass from taking the time to change my habits.
Plant based food is lowkey adhd friendly, way easier to cook, shorter cook times, less concern about food safety (raw chicken and eggs, fish parasites, etc), fewer smells to contain. Also for some reason I’ve had my tofu go bad even one month afyer expiration date lol
I get the habit thing though. These days I know how to make stuff taste good without animal products but it’s a learning process, no one teaches us this stuff because society is carnist. I found that the framing helps, instead of “i need to change this”/" i need to stop this" it was easier to be excited about new recipes and being as budget friendly as possible.
Exactly! It’s clearly quite straightforward, cheaper, and doesn’t take any more time than eating meat. I’ll be there before long. Just got a lot of crazy life things to deal with at the moment, like a lot of people.
I’m at the stage of buying vegetarian meals when I remember to do so and it doesn’t take any more bother, which is about half the time. Once my life gets a bit more stable, I’ll go vegetarian, then ease on into vegan.
I have a vegan brother who is the best cook I know. He’s why I know how good vegan food is, and how I realised that not eating meat is not gonna mean eating boring stuff. It just takes changing the habits, then you’re set.
Another thing I know from my brother: everyone needs to know about nutritional yeast, whether they are vegetarian or not. Goddamn that stuff is tasty. 😄
Counterpoint: western society itself is a carnist echo chamber. We’re surrounded by your views. All we want is a little space online where we don’t have to be drowned in it.
Does anyone force you to eat meat? Are you offended by the mere idea of a t-bone steak?
If yes to the first: you’re an actual victim.
If yes to the second: you’re drowning yourself, nobody screams about a genuine carnivorous diet, but I’ve never seen a vegan who just sits down at a meal and doesn’t berate everyone at the table that eats meat.
Fuck this kind of victim-complex delusion.
I have shared meals with vegans who don’t do what you describe. Almost all of them in fact don’t do what you describe
Okay cool, we both have confirmation bias, just because you know some apples are good, doesn’t mean the whole batch is.
Just because you have never seen an apple doesnt mean they don’t exist is now appropriate.
I am not confirming anything other than I have a different experience.
I’m sharing an experience for the record that there are vegans who aren’t assholes the way you describe them to be as that is an incredibly popular stereotype. An unhelpful stereotype. It also includes that I have encountered your stated experience and not denied that it can be true
I thought it would be helpful for other people to hear that from a non vegan meat eater who has had plenty of healthy encounters with vegans and that just because someone is vegan it doesn’t make them unpleasant people the way you seemed to me to be arguing.
Ill be here arguing with people but begrudgingly welcomed while you will just get eventually ignored or banned completely and then you will contribute nothing to the discussion. Which is perhaps for the best then if that’s how it turns out. But maybe I’ll get banned. Either way It won’t really affect me much, but seems like you have a need to scream at people and that seems like it will cause you some personal problems.
Good luck
Wow, three whole paragraphs of ‘no u’ and ‘get banned’ instead of just reporting me? You sure you’re not the one that needs to scream at something? Get bent, and continue to be a prefect example of why people hate vegans as a whole.
I’m not a vegan. Currently brining some chicken breasts, so that will be an incredibly hard thing to do to be an example of why people "hate vegans as a whole. "
And I had nothing better to do and you keep responding. I’ll eventually get bored of you and then forget your existence. Why would I waste mods time reporting you when you are utterly forgettable and don’t cause me personally any problems. For what? Being unpleasant? That’s shit mods don’t need to deal with. If members of Vegan community want to report you I’ll gladly support their efforts though. I would even given em a hug, if they wanted one. Simply because I’m engaging with you doesn’t mean I actually care about your opinion. It simply amuses me to do so in this moment.
Since they’ve been reported for Rule 5 multiple times, I’ll note that I’ve left their comments up because they elegantly capture “this is why everyone hates vegans”, “how do you know someone’s vegan? they’ll tell you”, and the inane misconstrual that vegans, not the animals, are the victims vegans are trying to defend, and I don’t want the surrounding comments deprived of the whiny context they’re calling out. It’s always a balancing act of what to do with a vegan bingo caller. Sometimes it’s misconceptions from people arguing in good faith; sometimes it’s useless trolling; sometimes it’s whatever the hell this is.
ZozanoDoes anyone force you to eat meat? If yes to the first: you’re an actual victim.
No mention of the actual victims of carnist assholery.
Also, you’ve never seen a vegan who just sits down and doesn’t berate everyone?
Yeah, no shit? It’s a self fulfilling prophecy; if someone doesn’t announce their veganism, then you’re not going to know they are vegan. Duh.
I’ve never seen a vegan who just sits down at a meal and doesn’t berate everyone at the table that eats meat.
(Emphasis mine)
Exactly. You didn’t see them. They were there, but you didn’t notice because they didn’t say anything.
Oh, we’re drowning.
gmtomFor a while I really thought we had left the people like you on Reddit. But alas you have followed us over here like cockroaches to ensure we can’t just have a space to exist unmolested by chuds who think they are entitled to have everyone listen to their unsolicited opinions.
This is a public forum which is exactly where unsolicited opinions go. Maybe speak to the community about closing it to non vegans such as women’sstuff closes it’s forum to non women. That this forum shows up on browse everything is hardly outsiders fault for encountering the content, and if the content isn’t locked down then it’s an open discussion.
But I’m not defending that asshole, just discussing how online life isnt always what we think it is. Doesn’t mean it can’t be, just might take some specific steps and ask some awkward questions.
I’m not a vegan or even vegetarian, doesn’t make sense to me, but if I’m not expecting to have someone who is take the time and effort to teach me, the best way to learn on my own is simply be witness to what is discussed so value the content even while not aligning with it.
Then again i consider myself open minded and have always valued education
The only reason Im here is because i browse by everything and posts in this comm pop up frequently. Same as womenstuff so I get exposed to these posts without making any effort at all to encounter them as non vegetarian.
I don’t vote on the vast majority of posts I encounter. I don’t care for the voting system but I’ll use it if a post strikes me as bad content for Lemmy in general.
I don’t care what comm I’m in. Rarely check. I’ll engage with content if I have something to say, usually pass without comment. As most people do.
I don’t understand why restricted comms even show up for the whole Lemmy to see if they aren’t welcome to have all of lemmys eyeballs on them.
People who post content in niche places that are actively hostile to the vast majority of a larger community are naturally going to get massacred in any popular vote. That’s just math. And it’s a problem because it’s content for the wrong audience and just causes friction.
As far as I know unlike a comm that restricts who is allowed to post, non vegans are welcome to be here even if they aren’t very much appreciated and many of the vegans would just prefer they avoided it entirely instead of messing with it. Look but don’t touch kind of thing that’s my approach, but I get it wrong or just have had days too like anyone else.
I don’t think blocking out things you don’t like, or make you a bit sqeemish about, is a good habit to form. It’s absolutely a valuable tool but it’s too easy to create echo chambers and I constantly see that lack of encountering things greater than your own opinion being bad for your health over the long run.
We need to challenge the things that make us uncomfortable to make any real change happen. I wish I had a better solution for the people who need tear down all the things they don’t personally feel comfortable with it that challenge them in someway.
Perhaps I’m naive, but I look at this place and others like it as people sharing their opinions not communities acting as a group. It’s convenient to have those communities because they are real things that exist, but the content is for everyone even when everyone shouldn’t be responding to it. I hope I explained that properly.
Food and the consumption of it is a human universality. We all have it in common so I think whether you are vegan, vegetarian, or neither, it will draw interest far outside those it is intended to because food is just relatable one way or another.
I think it’s very mature of the vegans communities I’ve encountered on here that they don’t segregate themselves. I think that’s the only way to stop hostilities between different worldviews and start helping each other be better.
Thanks for getting through my dumb thoughts. If you are ever in Quebec City, one of the best soups I’ve ever had was a Thai curry soup from Don Vegan the first vegan only restaurant in that historic city.
You’re cool, Jarix, and I appreciate your mindset. I agree that keeping an open mind is a good idea, though I’ve personally come to veganism on my own and don’t see any benefit from reading potential meat-based posts (unless it’s a recipe I can easily swap ingredients for.) I grew up in a meat-eating family and have probably heard every argument against it under the sun. So when people come trolling on here (as you’ve seen), it becomes an eye-rolling waste of time for all involved. I don’t think blocking pro-meat coms would be a sign of a closed mind, any more than blocking the coding coms (since I don’t code) or the German coms (since I don’t speak German) would be. It just wouldn’t apply to me, and that’s fine!
It would be lovely if more people had your mindset. I think people should question everything, taking the time to critically examine what they claim to believe and match their actions to it. At least, to the best of their ability.
Anyway, your “dumb thoughts” don’t seem dumb at all. I’m no authority in this com, but I’d welcome you back any day. :)
Hey, I lived in Québec city before as a vegan. There were at least two vegan restaurants before Don Vegan. But both were completely raw. I wasn’t interested in raw cuisine, so you can imagine how sad I was in Québec city in regards to restaurants. Especially as I knew how hugely different it was in Montréal.
I recently learned of Don Vegan when I was planning to maybe visit with my family. The plan didn’t materialize, but thanks for the recommendation. I’ll probably visit in the future.
Oh I went by their claim. They said first 100% Vegan restaurant, maybe there is a technical claim they are making? Raw like Paleo? Maybe that’s it. Sorry if I caught a lie. Gorgeous city, gorgeous region. Wish everyone here could just embrace the heritage(First Nations too!) and celebrate each other instead of all the hate.
I really hope you get to bring the family there and enjoy it!
quick_snailI’m vegan. I chose to downvote and to report to mods.
We’re better than this low effort shitpost.
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ValmondIt’s not that people think of it as “good”, they just don’t think about it at all. Most people don’t think about where their food really comes from, and where their demand for meat exists, capitalism maximizes profits.
Then there are other issues, like lack of empathy, or just not regarding animals as deserving of life. Some non-vegans may know the source of their food but they simply don’t care.
And then there’s always cognitive dissonance where they might care, but they shove that in the back of their mind and justify eating meat anyway.
All this makes it difficult for a one-size-fits-all approach to educating non-vegans in hope they’ll change their eating habits. It’s not a matter of truth or good, it’s a complex matter of knowing, having the capacity for empathy, recognizing animals as deserving of empathy, and then believing that this information is more important than their desire to eat meat.