Kind of being a bit down on Green Mars so far it's been "some white males aren't that bad" propaganda, some sex between really young people, people spending time with other people that they severely dislike etc, almost 200 pages in now, and it feels a bit like swimming in sirup.
@sotolf I loved those books when I read them 25 (?) years ago, but time may have left them behind.

@larsivi Well, I also come to them from a far the far left, so the basic theory that it tries to smuggle in without making americans balk at its communism light.

At times it's good, in the moment it's good, but there are just so many things rubbing me the wrong way.

@sotolf I fairly recently read The Ministry for the Future, which I also liked a lot. Some time after I read a criticism of it though, that made me see that, while I think KSR is a good, fairly liberal and even woke person, he is also a priveliged, white American.
@larsivi Yeah, that does sum it up pretty much for me, he also loves stereotyping other nationalities for some reason, but I guess that's part of the American thing :p

@sotolf It's been a long time, but I don’t recall really enjoying the red/green/blue mars books though I did slog through them, coming away largely disappointed.

I recently tried to read Ministry for the Future because it was the same author, which started out interesting but I noped out as soon as I got to "cryptocurrency will save the world”.

I've realized I do not think I like Kim Stanley Robsinson or his books very much.

@causticmsngo Yeah, I mean at times it's nice to read, there was parts of the first that I enjoyed, but it feels like he focuses on writing from the viewpoints of people that I don't like, brushing over people that I do like, and there are big parts that are bogged down in weird minutae that doesn't really seem like it's really bringing the story foreward, I am 40% through this one, and probably will get through it, but I will for sure take a longer break and see if I really feel like it's worth it to read the last one in the series.