This says a lot about the average carnist mindset. A lot of people have no idea their meat comes from dead animals. I think there would be a lot more vegans if people knew and were fully aware of the consequences

Every single person, at most past the age of 12 knows exactly where all the meat comes from. Usually much younger.

“If vegans were not so obnoxious idiots, maybe more people would listen to them”.

even if we are obnoxious idiots (which is justified when the whole world thinks killing animals is ok, it’s infuriating), shouldn’t you care about the animals and not us?