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Sarah Valentine (she/her)The problem isnât masturbating.
dependencyinjectionEverything is a problem if youâre doing it compulsively or mask something else.
Masturbating can surprisingly help with restless leg syndrome but doing it in work might be a problem.
So you understand that the problem isnât doing the thing, itâs something else, and doing the thing is only bad because of that context. Then you ought to understand that treating the context is the solution, not insisting the person just not do the thing.
I get what youâre saying, but would you adopt the same stance for example for gambling or drinking alcohol? Theyâre not necessarily bad per se, itâs the compulsion and the trigger points it evokes for some people where I think itâs completely fine to just accept that for them not doing it at all - even if for a time - might be the correct move.
Comparing a natural behavior to dependency on addictive chemicals is a bit silly. Iâm not sure youâre taking this seriously. And before you come back with âmasturbation releases chemicals we can form a dependency onâ, literally SO many other mundane things have the same effect. Conservatives and fascists always care about this one in particular though, and thatâs the real reason weâre talking about it.
But thatâs exactly what I am saying, thereâs a wide variety of actions that - on their own - arenât really harmful if done in moderation. Sure gambling and drinking are more extreme examples, but you yourself agree that these actions ârelease chemicals we can form a dependency onâ. So does gambling, so does overeating, so does masturbation. If itâs an issue for the person and theyâre not doing it for a while then I also donât see the use in singling this out in the list of things here. If it helps the person get motivated/be proud and engage positive feedback loops to not do it, why single masturbation out as useless?
Of course, ânever fappingâ and automagically being a good person is an absurd manosphere grift to push. But if they were following a specific diet which in itself also doesnât turn your life around but gets the ball rolling would you have the same stance? If itâs part of a process of change for a person I just donât see the sense in such strong antipathy for this single case, I suppose.
In other words, of the list of things here - cold showers, room tidying, brushing teeth, not eating like crap - itâs the masturbation this thread singles out and tells the person: no that thing, you should definitely continue doing that. Just seems unproductive to me.
no that thing, you should definitely continue doing that. Just seems unproductive to me.
Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.
Of course, ânever fappingâ and automagically being a good person is an absurd manosphere grift to push. But if they were following a specific diet which in itself also doesnât turn your life around but gets the ball rolling would you have the same stance?
What weâre really talking about is the equivalent of following fad diets because a fascist with an agenda is trying to bend vulnerable people to a cause they donât understand, using psychological knowledge and conditioning techniques. These people are not consulting licensed professionals, theyâre not talking to psychiatrists or therapists, theyâre listening to Joe Rogen podcasts and Facebook propaganda.
So while all these other things you talk about might have some merit to them, thatâs not what weâre really talking about, nor what the problem actually is. The problem is these men live in a society that simultaneously tells them their desires are bad, show unrealistic body images and other impossible standards, tells them they need to work on themselves in superficial ways, and all while forcing them to live as wage slaves while the ultra-rich laugh at the hoops theyâre getting people to jump through.
Figure it out.
Who brought that idea in? You just made that up.
Oh, thatâs what I understood from the thread starting with:
its ok to fap
But I agree with your points, in general.
I guess where I am talking past you (or âlisteningâ past you, as it were) is that my argument is focused on this specific instance of someone doing something and I understood people to react with discouragement. Youâre embedding the discussion into a wider societal angle. It still seems somewhat strange to bring it up in this instance as the original post also doesnât mention any of the points you touch on and the ideas thus seem similarly âmade upâ and brought in, for this case, to me.
But I definitely donât have an argument with the points themselves, they are well made.