How do you feel about the current state of Lemmy?

https://lemmy.world/post/44615449

How do you feel about the current state of Lemmy? - Lemmy.World

I come on here every so often to see what’s going on, and every time I leave disappointed. This is my top 3 grievances at the moment: 1. This place feels dead. It’s usually quite, but lately it really feels like a ghost town. Idk what the actual stats say, but I feel like the amount of comments, posts, and variety seem to have gone down quite a bit over the past few months. 2. The amount of genuinely hateful content has gone up. I feel like Lemmy as a whole used to have better moderation even just last year compared to now. Every time I get on here, I’m seeing more and more gross content that’s either racist or bigoted or just downright gross. This content doesn’t get taken down even when reported. As horrid as Reddit’s moderation is, it’s still not this bad. 3. Outside of the tech communities, there’s no information hygiene anywhere in sight. The news subs publish the most questionable of sources, sometimes outright misinformation… and nobody cares? People don’t criticize weak sources or call out false claims or even value accuracy. I’ve seen multiple instances of users saying something false and getting upvoted for it and a person correcting them getting downvoted for it. Like, what’s even happening? I don’t know, I feel like when I joined a couple of years ago Lemmy was so much better. It felt more active, the community felt more down to earth, kind, and friendly, and the content was higher in quality. There was much optimism surrounding the Fediverse that’s not there anymore. Now it feels like a more left wing version of Voat than a genuine Reddit alternative. Am I the only one feeling this way or do other people feel the same?

This place feels dead. It’s usually quite, but lately it really feels like a ghost town.

The place has a much smaller population, of which an even tinier amount is active. So there is much less content published. One solution is to participate more but too few people seem willing to do it. An other solution would be to make the space more attractive to more users but, like you noticed…

The amount of genuinely hateful content has gone up.

I’ve been saying since I first joined the Fediverse: default experience is… trash unless you’re looking for some echo chamber for your pre-existing biases. Some may enjoy that experience, I certainly did not, and most people won’t either.

  • New/default experience should be an empty feed, with a few limited broad suggestions allowing them to slowly get in whatever they’re interested and willing to read (even trash content if that’s their thing).
  • Learning to use the filtering tools is key and should be encouraged. Personnaly, I have had a real nice and pleasant experience browsing Piefed because I learned to use them: 1) limiting my home page to ‘Subscribed’ only (filtering out all political/memes/low effort content, because 2) I carefully select the communities I’m subscribed to, 3) and since Piefed makes it so simple to filter out keywords and annoying users alike I never hesitate to use that and, non, I don’t care to block them even if we’re already short on users: my time is too precious to waste it with serial haters and complainers, or self-proclaimed white knights for such or such ’noble cause’.
  • Outside of the tech communities, there’s no information hygiene anywhere in sight.

    I’ve never seen much of any kind of (an information) hygiene, anywhere online. Certainly not on Reddit… save on very few selected subs… exactly like I can see here.

    But once again, one can easily filter the worst offender in a matter of seconds. Then, it’s up to anyone to stick to it: once I blocked them, I certainly don’t ‘check from time to time’ to see if they’re getting any better. I let them play in their shit pool to their heart’s content, throwing more of it at one another: it doesn’t concern me anymore. And for that I must say I quite like the filtering tools piefed gives us.

    the community felt more down to earth, kind, and friendly,

    It depends where you look at. When I joined (two or three years ago? I was on Lemmy, before switching to Piefed) the amount of sheer hate that was expressed and that I witnessed was… disturbing, to say the least. I don’t think it has become worse but I could not tell since I learned to filter the sources out.

    I wish for the devs to more seriously consider the out of the box experience for a new user and, maybe, consider that not all new users will share their political/personal/philosophical values or biases. I certainly don’t agree with many of the ideas I can see expressed around here, but I’m also old enough to be fine with people having different opinions, and patient enough to see if I can make the tool work more like I want it to and reduce what I consider noise.

    Genuine question: is there a moderation or federation difference between Lemmy and PieFed? Because I don’t feel like Lemmy is dead or racist. Idk maybe I just blocked a bunch of communities and forgot. I think it probably because discuss.online is doing it right.

    Yes there is. Check this out - https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

    It’s up to the instance admins to make use of those but I certainly have on https://piefed.social. I have no qualms about banning negative, bad-faith or douchy losers to save people from blocking them. And if a community is bad enough, I’ll ban the whole community.

    Also by deciding what to include in the starter-packs used during onboarding the admin can encourage people to join good communities while leaving toxic ones harder to find.

    There’s more, way more.

    PieFed features for growing healthy communities - PieFed

    PieFed gives admins a suite of tools to take a more hands-on approach to gardening all the communities on their instance.

    PieFed
    this is an interesting point, I think my /all was much better before cm0002 made an account on my instance an pulled in a lot of marginal communities

    I have no qualms about banning negative, bad-faith or douchy losers to save people from blocking them. And if a community is bad enough, I’ll ban the whole community.

    This is excellent. I’ve never understood the attitude that people should tolerate arseholes, because of what, free speech? Nah, bugger off with that silliness. I’ve moderated some places over the years and I’ve been told that I ban people too easily, but I’ve also been told how nice and wholesome the places were. Its pretty clear to me that having a low tolerance to arseholes is positive for the community.