okay the thing is we don’t need the tsa. we don’t need ice. we don’t need any of this because the crimes they are alleged to prevent are so rare as to be nonexistent

there are no immigrants that need deporting. nobody is trying to hijack planes.

it’s statistically zero.

fund support, not paranoia

@splendorr
>No one is trying to hijack planes

*stares in the 1970s and 80s*

@jonathankoren @splendorr

The security theater TSA performs is not terribly effective, in any case.

@violetmadder @splendorr no one is saying the TSA is perfect, but to pretend that airport security unnecessary when you can think back LIVING MEMORY is just being a dumb bitch troll for views

@jonathankoren @splendorr

At least if we had no airport security people would KNOW we had no airport security, which is arguably better than having a big wasteful clown show where security should be.

The current administration would set up their own false flag hijacking to bring on Patriot Act round 2 if they get itchy enough, we all know it, and the TSA ain't gonna be able to do jack shit about that even if their job was real.

@violetmadder @jonathankoren hi i don’t care about views, i may be a dumb bitch but have never deliberately been a troll 😄

according to wikipedia, there was a period in the 60s and 70s when there was a hijacking every ~5 days. that’s a lot!

by the 90s, around the world, we were at an average of ~17/year. looks like there are between 8-9 MILLION flights per year 😱

Statistically, we had it pretty much solved before the TSA 🤷‍♀️

@violetmadder @jonathankoren and yeah, we want to prevent every case of possible harm to large numbers of people.

at least, I do! the united states doesn’t seem to actually care much about this; cf. gun violence and our covid response

but the total global inconvenience and loss of privacy (AND increased hassle & detainment of folks who’ve done nothing wrong) seeeeeems like in total we’ve wound up hurting a lot more people with the “cure”

@violetmadder @jonathankoren it seeeeems to meeeeee that we could spend all this effort ameliorating the conditions that lead to people desperate enough to hijack a plane, shoot up a school, etc. but apparently that’s too hard, and doesn’t serve the police state as well as getting a full-body, full-face, and full-luggage scan of every single person who ever passes through an airport, while testing their documents at an inescapable bottleneck

@violetmadder @jonathankoren it’s not just that TSA isn’t “perfect.” I’m saying it’s an actively corrosive aspect of daily life that mostly amounts to bullshit but also aids the surveillance state!

and, now, they’re being supplanted by an organization that has been killing and kidnapping hundreds of thousands of people?

which, sure, they could do if there had been no tsa. but would it go down as easily if we weren’t used to being hassled? idk!

@violetmadder @jonathankoren i continue to think we could spend all this money on improving all of our lives instead of paying for our own abuse, and that would correlate with decreased violence, crime, etc.

so I’m just thinking out loud, not attacking you (truly)! I have no idea what you believe. and you’re right: hijackings used to be a much bigger problem (until a decade before TSA)

I’m sick of living under state surveillance & true threat!

@splendorr @jonathankoren

The best way to prevent violence, overall, is to improve quality of life. Reduce poverty, improve education, lower stress. Fewer grievances for people to flip out about, better ways to settle grievances, more avenues for relief, more constructive ways for people to direct their energy and spend their time.

Humans are extremely dangerous creatures. Any tools we can reach, we can use to do great harm-- the amount of authoritarian control it takes, to forcibly try to keep us harmless, is not worth the anger that inevitably rebounds against that repression. Fear is a horribly shitty way to run anything.

But freedom, education, self-actualization, and energy lead to people having expectations for things like justice and improving things, which is a threat to certain purse strings, and planetwrecking war profiteers want bigger boats to abuse children on, so here we are.

@violetmadder @splendorr plonk ya both for dangerously naive nazel gazing