🍹Early to RISA 🧉1d ago

Anon wants to live on Super Earth

https://sh.itjust.works/post/57201518

Show threadcarpelbridgesyndrome1d ago

They started a three front war ,prioritize citizens differently based on a state defined class system, got the earth blown up on at least one occasion, use their soldiers as disposable cannon fodder, and send everyone who disagree with them to reeducation camps. Other than that its a swell place.

Its tiring how bad general media literacy is that I can’t tell if the 4chan post above is a joke.

Show threadSlurpingPus21h ago
I’ve seen one Lemmy bigbrain recently argue that even when artists are showing mafia or army to be terrible for people in them, they romanticize the mafia and army nonetheless, and that in general media glorifies its subject matter regardless of the author’s intent. This schmuck would probably say with a straight face that ‘Helldivers’, or whatever this post is about, actually advocates for its model of utopia even if it pretends not to.
Show threadSunsofold20h ago
The idea of there being no anti-war films is older than Lemmy. The problem is Poe’s Law related. You can make a movie or a game that shows the horror of war or the tyranny of distopian totalitarian regimes, but regardless of the intended message, your creation is filtered through your audience’s lenses of perception, and some of that audience has been raised to be white supremacists, some have been through schooling that acts more as indoctrination than education, and some of that audience are just seriously fucking stupid.
Is there any such thing as an ‘anti-war film’?

Critics have claimed that all movies inherently glorify conflict, even when they claim a pacifist agenda. Is this fair? Tom Brook investigates

BBC
Show threadSlurpingPus20h ago
Yeah, I think I’ve heard of the ‘no anti-war films’ sentiment before, and vaguely heard that army recruiting increased after ‘Full Metal Jacket’, of all films. However, I don’t agree that idiocy of some part of the public is a reason to write off army, mafia, or any such quasi-satire media wholesale, as the aforementioned commenter did. That position essentially says that it’s not allowed to do critique of institutions and practices as part of ‘entertainment’ art.
Show threadSunsofold

The whole point of Poe’s Law is that you can’t get away from it even if you ham it to eleven, or even 38.7 gigahams/second. Unless you explicitly state ‘This is satire. That stuff is bad,’ there is little to no way to tell if it’s satire or extremism, and even if you do make it explicit, there are always the idiots who won’t notice that part and assume it’s sincere, (see naive interpretations of Starship Troopers) and those who willfully block out that part because they sincerely hold an opposing view. (See white nationalists opinions on American History X)

No one is saying it’s ‘not allowed’ for people to make those things. They’re saying it’s literally impossible because of how the media work. The kind of people who are saying ‘you can’t’ would love it to be possible. If we could movie our way to a utopia, it’d be awesome, but it seems we can’t.

Mar 22 at 5:47pmWeb
Show threadSlurpingPus16h ago

You seem to agree with my position in the first paragraph.

No one is saying it’s ‘not allowed’ for people to make those things.

It’s remarkable how you apparently listened in on my comment exchange with the aforementioned other person. Truly impressive capability. Could you please cite the exact argument they presented, since you know it so dearly?

Show threadSunsofold8h ago
That response is in itself an example of the issue at hand. Are you actually asking or just being sarcasticly snide in a way that doesn’t fully come across in text?