LOL I won't ride any of the LTS 4 and monst of the LTS3 streets here, which is where our city puts their "bike lanes". After seeing the "bike streets" and modal filters in Santa Barbara, California, I think that's the easiest way to make cycling possible in the suburbs here. #BikeTooter
@ai6yr So the thing about putting bike lanes on LTS4 and LTS3 streets is that yes, there IS a better alternative, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't serve the people who are going to cycle on those streets anyway. Invariably, people will cycle on them, so you should do the retrofitting to make them a SAFER space to do it. And last I checked, even shitty bike lanes do increase safety even though they don't ensure it. It should be done, but isn't the ONLY thing that should be done.
@HayiWena @ai6yr if it's an LTS4 after bike lanes are installed, the engineer is bad but also I don't think it's worth installing it for whatever marginal gain you got. You now put a bike lane effectively no one is going to use on what is likely the most significant road, meaning people that don't want real changes can reasonably point to the shitty bike lane and say "why bother".

@DemonHusky @HayiWena @ai6yr

Yeah so frustrating! I've visited so many towns and small cities and neighborhoods in big cities, where the only bike infrastructure was on the main drag. With cars going 45mph and nothing but paint to protect you

We need to bicyclize the small streets first, and the main drag after

In places built during the era of the cul-de-sac, sometimes the main drag is the only route from a to b. That way means we need to create woonerfs, pave the often already existing informal paths that connect one cul-de-sac neighborhood to the next

I think the reason city planners put bike lanes on the main drag is partly that it's visible, so it looks like they're doing something. And partly that it doesn't occur to them that someone might take back streets to get from one place to another

Obviously the solution is to stack the planning committees with bicyclists, and give them a larger budget than the part of the transportation department that deals with car streets

Somehow we need to convince people that the future is micromobility, and any money spent accommodating cars is probably wasted

@NilaJones City planners don't put bike lanes anywhere. City engineers do. I think the main reason they put them on the main drags is that those roads get touched more often than neighborhood streets and so they get the opportunity to restripe them vs neighborhood streets don't really need bike lanes if the speed limit is 20 mph. Better signage, yes. But lanes, no.

Planning commissions also have no dog in this fight. They do not make engineering decisions.

@HayiWena @NilaJones On the plus side, looking at this plan -- on paper, at least, they took my (many) suggestions for easy wins on striping into the plan. Everything else... all future/unfunded, but the "easy wins" I proposed in feedback all seems to have been incorporated... very surprisingly. (ie marking some parallel/alternative streets as bike routes and adding sharrows markings/signs/even lanes...) But the paint is funded as is street paving/upgrades, so it comes free.

@ai6yr @HayiWena

Hooray! Fantastic job!

@NilaJones @HayiWena They had multiple ways to submit feedback, and I went through all the parts of town I knew and put in all my feedback about conditions there for pedestrians and cycling. So... their data set for developing plans (I think) heavily influenced by that. I don't know how many of these comments were mine... on their online map, they got 99 individual comments, and I put in at least 30 (if not more...maybe a lot more). I spent quite a bit of time going over the map and all the areas I travel. (so... lesson on these: put in all your input!)

@ai6yr @HayiWena

I remember when you were doing that!