OK, I just *may* have partaken of a little of the Devil's Cabbage this evening so forgive me, but still...

TIL that every time you shuffle[1] a deck of regular playing cards, it is very likely that no other deck of cards in the history of the world has ever been in that exact arrangement before[2].

1. Shuffle them well. And again. Etc.
2. Edit! Apparently of the order of 10^^68 possible arrangements. Again, I may be wrong!

Math-heads and statisticians will now either tell me to smoke less, or that I'm quite right. Either would be an acceptable outcome!

@bytebro
52! (i.e., 52 factorial, which is 52 x 51 x 50 ... x 1), equals 8.06581752 x 10^67 or 8 times (10 raised to the 67th power). I hadn't thought about it before, but it's quite possibly true.

@fifonetworks

I really appreciate the math clarification - that makes sense, so thank you.

I'm loving the whole thing about "no other deck of cards *ever* has been in this order before!" which is probably kind of hard to get anyone's head around...

@fifonetworks

I am unreasonably pleased that my trivial and somewhat hazed research got within an order of magnitude!

@bytebro
To amplify a little more on the subject... the real-world odds don’t necessarily match the solid math.

EXAMPLE 1: Consider the myth of it taking 100 years to crack a password of a certain length by brute force methods. If someone chooses a password like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab, and the brute force tool starts with β€œa” and works up in alphabetical order, the password will be cracked quicker than zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy. And if the brute force tool is itself random, any password of any length may be cracked in the first ten attempts. In other words, cracking every password in a series won’t take the same length of time as the longest cracking time. In fact, only one password takes the longest cracking time.

EXAMPLE 2: You may be familiar with the Birthday Paradox. If there are 23 people in a room, there’s a 50 percent chance that two of them have the same birthday (month/day, not year/month/day). When there are 60 people in the same room, the odds of a duplicate birthday are over 99 percent.

So, while there are lots of combinations for the cards in the deck, we’ll never be sure if a duplicate happens or not. There’s no law in physics (or mathematics) that says all combinations of cards must occur before any combination can occur again.

@fifonetworks
<making notes to myself to ask silly questions when slightly stoned more often>

What a splendid evening. Thank you, and I now need to sleep and then re-read some of my old text books!

@bytebro

Just don't listen to the magicians.

They'll tell you that certain shuffles, properly executed, will always yield the same ordering. The name is 'faro', 'perfect', or 'weave'.

#CardMagic

@JdeBP

Back in my eminently mis-spent youth, I used to be able to fake a shuffle from a pre-laid deck and get exactly the hand I wanted, at least in the presence of non-cynical newbies.

Fortunately I grew out of such dangerous pastimes, and discovered computers instead (-:

@bytebro

Shades of #KostyaKimlat, who practiced for decades before trying to fool Penn and Teller by simple dint of just doing exactly the almost impossible feat xe said xe was going to do in the patter, without any tricks.

https://youtube.com/v/Lx1P1YA2rlA

#CardMagic

Penn & Teller Fool Us: Kostya Kimlat's IMPOSSIBLE Card Trick // Season 5

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@JdeBP <Saved for later - thanks!>

@bytebro

If you like that, you'll love the first #KostyaKimlat #FoolUs attempt.

Xe took a trick that Penn and Teller had performed themselves on national telly only weeks before, and that they thought they knew upside down and backwards, it also being a classic trick commonly-known by card magicians; and came up with a mindblowingly skilled way of doing it.

Watching the performance a second time, you can spot the points where both Penn and Teller realize that they've been caught on the wrong foot. And it's literally done right under Penn's nose, which is even part of the cleverness of the trick. Kimlat designed in the fact that xe was going to perform to these two.

https://youtube.com/v/MuKail7Jwwg

https://youtube.com/v/SCFXV6o7cro?lc=UgyhehHF9YBGFe4d93d4AaABAg

https://youtube.com/v/49CSV2w0i0g

#CardMagic #RoadrunnerCull #Triumph

Penn Talks About Being Fooled by Kostya Kimlat on Fool Us

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@JdeBP

Good grief. The link was good, and the video was interesting, thanks.

However just watching those two vids on YT 'poisoned' my YT feed for *days* to the point where I am pretty much only seeing P&T related videos.

I suspect I'm going to have to wipe my YT history and cache, and see if it becomes sane again!

Down By the Riverside / Kyoto Tachibana SHS Band(Feb 1, 2026οΌ‰

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@JdeBP

I dare not click on that, no matter how 'refreshed' I might be. The consequences would be less than optimal.