Winter Jo 
❄️okay why are we still even bothering with sysv-init
yes sure systemd is having Another Altercation right now, but surely we can't just use openrc at this point and save us major headaches, right?
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@ShadowJonathan sysv-init is so dogshit
Triss Hellsite@ShadowJonathan at this point even openrc is old and there's stuff like runit, s6, dinit, ... ready to take its place
@sys64738 tbh i dont even know about most of these because systemd has been my swiss knife for everything for a long time
the one time i had to touch sysvinit was the last time i'd rather have to touch it, and thankfully the Grey Beard at our company cleaned up the single-digit debian VM that contained it
witch_t *navi@sys64738 @ShadowJonathan
openrc predates systemd by a year, and iirc both runit and s6 are about the same age as well -- the only "newer" one here is dinit
all of them except runit are still maintained and getting newer features to this day though, unlike sysvinit, so idk why anything would need to take openrc's place... we can coexist
openrc predates systemd by a year, and iirc both runit and s6 are about the same age as well -- the only "newer" one here is dinit
all of them except runit are still maintained and getting newer features to this day though, unlike sysvinit, so idk why anything would need to take openrc's place... we can coexist
@ShadowJonathan
fwiw nothing is *actually* using sysvinit except debian as one of it's init alternatives
gentoo and alpine does ship with sysvinit (or busybox init for alpine, which is like sysvinit but with only the basics to launch e.g. openrc) by default, but all that sysvinit does in those systems is exec openrc then wait
fwiw nothing is *actually* using sysvinit except debian as one of it's init alternatives
gentoo and alpine does ship with sysvinit (or busybox init for alpine, which is like sysvinit but with only the basics to launch e.g. openrc) by default, but all that sysvinit does in those systems is exec openrc then wait
Patrycja 🔜 V43@navi @ShadowJonathan alpine does not ship with sysvinit by default
@ptrc @ShadowJonathan isn't busybox init the same config? inittab
i'm not talking about a specific implementation but the design, aka inittab (and often init.d/rcS for "true" sysvinit systems), which sucks
i'm not talking about a specific implementation but the design, aka inittab (and often init.d/rcS for "true" sysvinit systems), which sucks
@navi @ShadowJonathan they aren't drop-in compatible, no, mostly because of the "identifier" field, which on bbinit is device (so, e.g.
not to mention bbinit lacks half the functionality, supporting just the bare minimum to get OpenRC running
tty1) insteadnot to mention bbinit lacks half the functionality, supporting just the bare minimum to get OpenRC running
@ptrc @ShadowJonathan
fair enough
i do wonder if i can get distros to use openrc-init after i improve the supervision for ttys
fair enough
i do wonder if i can get distros to use openrc-init after i improve the supervision for ttys
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