The extent to which core linux projects are laying the groundwork for age verification is very concerning.

I understand why some believe they are compelled to do so, and why others feel that it may be better to implement the most minimal conforming implementation in the hopes of fending off something worse.

But the line must be drawn such that no threat can obligate an OS to collect/store personal information - without that freedom, we face an uphill fight to protect general purpose computing.

@sarahjamielewis

It's a fairly binary option, comply with the law as written (as best as it can be interpreted anyway) or simply ignore it and see what happens.

If those who are considered to be in violation are prepared to accept the consequences then they should do so.

They would have my support for resisting a stupid and illogical law.

systemd for all of its many faults is making a beginning for those who wish to build a framework. It's not mandatory. I don't see how any version of Linux could force this issue.

For one, I am looking with interest at the Ageless Linux strategy which any version of Linux could adopt as a way to achieve malicious non-compliance.

@simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis

It's a fairly binary option, comply with the law as written (as best as it can be interpreted anyway) or simply ignore it and see what happens.

It's not even complying with the law though... Someone rightfully pointed out, laws are likely to be amended, so rushing to comply in advance will probably not meet later requirements. Other implementations are likely to be contradictory.

systemd for all of its many faults is making a beginning for those who wish to build a framework. It's not mandatory. I don't see how any version of Linux could force this issue.

Putting aside that age-gating is outside of the scope of something that should only be handling init, it's mandatory in that most major distros are built around systemd and use it as a dependency...

@simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis If you want to see something interesting, try removing systemd from your distro. (Don't actually do it. Use dry-run or whatever equivalent you might have.) Just watch how much else gets removed with it...

Some people are actually doing it and it even removes stuff like Pipewire-Pulse. They're back down to Alsa and all the problems it presents...

@nazokiyoubinbou @simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis Still on OpenRC to this day. I've never once regretted not having systemd.
@landelare @simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis OpenRC sounds really promising as a really viable alternative. Just the basics with adherence to standards.
@nazokiyoubinbou @simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis OpenRC being called the alternative makes me feel extra old.
@landelare @simonzerafa @sarahjamielewis I mean... It's newer than Unix system five. 😆

@nazokiyoubinbou @landelare @sarahjamielewis

Well I'm older that Unix 5, so I've not really got much to say with regard to all things retro 😂