Humanity in CS & PL, now more than ever

@koronkebitch this really resonates with me bc what primarily drew me into research was how it's essentially a big conversation between a bunch of people. the tech and the math is cool and interesting but it's so secondary to the connections, the Lore and Drama, the enthusiasm, the kindness
@atsuzaki @koronkebitch I would absolutely not be in PL, in Utah CS, in Mastodon, or anywhere at all except for the people
@atsuzaki @koronkebitch just last week I was out in the desert with a good friend who started grad school with me in summer 1995. if it wasn't for that crowd -- who I still love -- I'd probably have gone off and done some dumb shit like getting rich during the dotcom boom. and I would probably be rich and miserable now.
@regehr @atsuzaki @koronkebitch hope you're not miserable!
@va2lam @atsuzaki @koronkebitch 100% not miserable, except when I think about my country
@va2lam @atsuzaki @koronkebitch it is what it is. I don't suppose most people in the history of the world have been able to be proud of their country.

@regehr @atsuzaki @koronkebitch I am under no illusions that Canada or NZ are perfect countries, but many citizens are well treated by these countries, and they have net positive effects on the world scale. Partly because they are not the hegemon, they don't have to do some of the dirty work.

But an important question is how the most vulnerable are treated, and both Canada and NZ have historically failed some populations quite drastically.

@va2lam @regehr @koronkebitch the kiwis are fine but shrug, i have feelings about canada and dirty work (among many things, supported the dutch with munitions in the ridiculous 4 years of war after our independence from them before suddenly changing their tune and acting like a savior?? as well as very publicly, with the rest of the hegemon, backing the 1965 indonesian genocides)
@atsuzaki @regehr @koronkebitch definitely not perfect!