What instance has mostly reasonable moderate conservative/liberal people?

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What instance has mostly reasonable moderate conservative/liberal people? - Lemmy.World

I came here a few weeks ago after many years of reddit. Altogether I find discussions I enjoy, however, the posts and comments noticeably lean, well, tankie (I didn’t know that term before I came here). It’s not that I am looking for an echo chamber, but I also don’t want to spend my time reading propaganda. I’m really curious about a lot of things outside politics, as well as the opinions and arguments of reasonable people across the political spectrum, but I don’t want to listen to the boring canned lies of fascists and tankies. I realized that people celebrating communist dictators trigger me, and this is something I didn’t have to deal with before I started reading lemmy, I didn’t even know this type existed. I also notice that accounts created just a few hours in advance come from other instances to brigade political posts. Because of how lemmy works, I can block individual users or communities, but not individual instances. Is there an instance that could be a “safe space” from this kind of brigading and tankie spam? Or a way to use the internet to read interesting things now that blogs died and then Reddit became whatever it became?

I largely use Lemmy because it doesn’t tolerate conservatives.

It’s 2026. There is no such thing as a moderate conservative. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. They don’t deserve yet another platform to argue in bad faith on. They’ve gone too far. Every platform they touch turns into a cesspool of bigotry and garbage opinions they think should be taken seriously or they play victim.

I don’t want them on Lemmy.

I don’t want them on Lemmy.

Lemmy is open to anyone though. Excluding someone based on what they believe slides into the very fascism that many on Lemmy proclaim to be against. Intolerance is never a good thing, regardles of what your political outlook is.

Lemmy is open to anyone though.

Sure is. Doesn’t mean I want bigots/fascists here, fucking up yet another platform.

Excluding someone based on what they believe

How long would you be willing to entertain Nazis? Would you say the same thing about them? That we should just listen to them and give them a chance? That we should tolerate them? Now, American conservatives aren’t Nazis, because Naziism was a specific fascist movement in Germany a century ago. But American conservatives are fascists because they match the definition.

Now, I’m not sure if you possess eyes or ears, but fascism is now here, in America, due to conservatives. I’m done giving them the benefit of the doubt. They do not deserve it. They do not care to argue in good faith.

but trying to exclude a group of people because you don’t believe them is nothing to brag about.

Words placed into my mouth. I’m not making some concerted effort to exclude conservatives from Lemmy. Never said I was. I said I don’t want them here. That’s my personal opinion. You seem to really care about people, even fascists, getting to have their opinions, so let me have mine.

Now look at your words and switch use the words “liberal” instead of “conservative.”

Ah. I see. You are a “bOtH sIdEz” advocate. One of those that believe everything is equal. Well, I’m here to promise you that is false. Both sides do no want the same thing and do not go about getting what they want in the same manner. Not even close. Your entire argument is based on all things being equal. That simply isn’t true, so your argument is weak.

The right side of the aisle uses violence and intimidation to get what they want FAR, FAR more often than the left side does. And that is a fact supported by a shit ton of data. So why should we give a side that uses those tactics regularly the same benefit of the doubt that we’d give a side that doesn’t? That’s nonsense.

NOT. THE. SAME.

You’ll still be singing Kumbaya while you’re being gassed.

You are a “bOtH sIdEz” advocate.

Yep. Both sides do suck. Both sides have idiot extremists. But hey, you do you do you.

You admitted that you think conservatives should be allowed to be here, and that’s the point I was trying to make. So all good.

They should be allowed here. Even if we disagree with them.

I don’t think all conservatives are fascists like most of lemmy likes to proclaim.

I’m very glad the US is not at all like most of Lemmy thinks it is. lol

The difference between a Lenny communist is: no one takes them seriously, they do not control the entire government, they are not using the government to shoot dissenters in the streets.

Some of those crazy bastards probably would if you gave them control of the government, but that’s beside the point because no one has done that yet. But when they do, I am going to support whatever they decide to do to the Nazis.

Quick question: Are you a cis, white, heterosexual male with Christian/agnostic beliefs? Or at the very least, could you be mistaken for somebody like that? And do you live in an urban area, or a suburban or rural area?

Because as a bi trans woman who grew up in a relatively red part of one of the deepest blue states in the country and spent a LONG time being able to hide as a cis white male, it is two very different experiences of life in the US before and after transitioning and what kind of area that I’ve lived in. Cities are natural melting pots of diversity and run very liberal/leftist as a result, suburbs can be a mixed bag depending on where they are (though like often follows like and you tend to get concentrations of similar beliefs close together due to socio-economic factors), and rural areas are often very group-think oriented and form cliques like it’s highschool. I also spent a lot of time listening to what conservatives say when they think they’re in like company. And it’s very political.

You know how people say that the two things you should never bring up at work are politics and religion? Every place that I’ve worked, the people who cannot stop talking about politics have always been conservatives. From hating on immigrants or trans people to the guy yesterday who went on and on about how people only hate Teslas because they’re liberals who hate Elon and how great Teslas are while we all side-eyed each other (somebody said that the cyber truck is dangerous and looks ugly), they are constantly either trying to convince you that they’re right or just assume that you agree with them in the first place. I had a “both sides” so-called “centrist” trap me and another coworker in a conversation about another one of our coworkers after he found out that they were a trans man and just kept going on and on about how they had trans friends but our coworker would never be a “real man,” just like his trans friend would never be a “real woman.” Didn’t stop talking about it for over an hour, just talking in circles with barely a moment to take a breathe before he started talking again. I would’ve thought he was gonna pass out if I didn’t already know that he’s one of those people who would probably die if they ever stopped talking. He would also go on and on about the “violent left” but would get oddly quiet whenever a right-winger or MAGA voter would shoot up a place or something. Despite the fact that the US accounts for something like 95% of all school shootings in the world, and all but a couple of those have been committed by white men who either traditionally voted for Republicans or grew up in a conservative household, and that in the past 10 years something like 80% of mass shooting victims were shot by people (most often men, and usually white men) who also either traditionally voted for Republicans or grew up in conservative households

It’s only been in about the past 6 months that I’ve mostly stopped seeing MAGA flags outside people’s houses or on people’s trucks. Though there is one pickup at work that the owner stuck a “MAGA Edition” label onto just above the branding, and there is one guy who up until recently would wear a Trump 2024 shirt occasionally. He might still, but I haven’t seen it in awhile.

There are now about 20 states where it is either unsafe for me to travel due to state laws or where my existence is outright illegal in some way. Trans people were having their passports, driver’s licenses, birth certificates, and other forms of identification confiscated by the DMV after the election but before Trump even entered office. A law in Utah banning trans girls from school sports got overturned because it affected a total of 3 girls in the state and it was therefore considered a law targeting specific individuals, which is illegal. You can make it illegal to turn right on a red light at a particular street corner, but you can’t make it illegal for Tom, Larry, and Diane to turn right on a red light.

You can have reasonable discussions with conservatives, but because conservatism largely consists of the belief that there are groups that the law should protect but not bind, and groups that the law should bind but not protect, it can very quickly fall into arguing what kind of people do or don’t deserve to be treated like humans. Very often with them, respect means “respect my authority or else I won’t treat you like a person.” Back before 2001 and the rise of right-wing extremism these past 20 or so years, there were much more mild discussions between Democrats and Republicans, but that’s because the US largely has no true leftist institutions. The Democrats are largely a moderate conservative to left-leaning centrist party with a few moderate leftists thrown in (who are unpopular with the party leadership but usually popular with voters). So debates were largely about whether or not the tax break for corporations should be 5% or 7% higher than last year. Both parties largely agreed on policy.

In the US, there are two genders: Man and “political.” Two races: White and “political.” Two sexualities: Straight and “political.” Two religions: Christian and “political” (and which flavor of Christian you are can be considered “political” based on the region of the country that you’re in). If you can fake being in the former group in any way, you’ll have a very different experience living in the US than you would otherwise.

Paradox of Tolerance my dude

Life, and people, aren’t as bad as Lemmy wants them to be. Many on Lemmy just doomscroll and revel in the fantasy of the earth being doomed and destroyed.

I refuse to live my life like that. I’ll live my life filled with joy, helping people out, knowing my neighbors, and loving others. So there is not Paradox of Tolerance in my life.

Good for you, must be nice living in a fantasy land like the pyro from TF2.

It’s fucking delusional it’s what it is, and you can’t just choose to ignore the paradox of tolerance, unless you want to turn your favourite bar into a nazi bar

How is it a fantasy world?

Do you realize that the US isn’t a war zone, and that most people just go along their daily lives of dropping kids off at school, hiking, mowing their lawns, going to work, going to the park, going on dates with their significant other, watching netflix, etc?

Most people don

Most people don’t make their politics their identity, nor do they talk about politics every single day, nor do they call every single person that disagrees with them a Nazi or a Fascist daily.

Most just don’t care about politics. As we saw in the election.

How is that a fantasy world? Normal society isn’t even close to what the Lemmy-verse is…lol

Lemmy has the worst cases of doomscrolling and negativity that I have ever seen.

A: you assume I’m American. I’m not. That’s an insult where I’m from.

B: it’s not open to everyone, don’t be stupid. It’s a walled and managed garden like every social media, just the walls are guarded by volunteers instead of staff

C: Right, let’s say that someone says something shitty and bigoted, you saying I should let them stay? Just answer that

I’m saying that not every conservative is shitty and bigoted. Lemmy doesn’t want to admit that though. That’s my point.

Lemmy has about 1.366 million registered users worldwide (with monthly active users way lower, around 48,000–50,000). That’s less than 0.0004% of the US population of roughly 343 million. Not even close to representing how the general US population feels about things.

I don’t know I had a dude wake me up at 5 AM every morning for 18 months so he could parade his loud truck and his Maga flag down the street. For me, the paradox of tolerance was broken when the police wouldn’t stop him from breaking the law every day.

You guys let your extremist run wild and terrorize society for the last six years. You have no moderate views you have no moderate inclinations. You have no conservative values. It hits pure regressive politics and hate mongering. The only thing you conserve is hierarchy and perverse incentives.

Please explain “you guys.”

I’m not republican. I didn’t “let” anyone run anything. The US voted, and Trump won. And next election people have the option to vote someone else in.

Are you assuming I’m republican just because I said not all republicans are bad?! Dude, come on…think about that. Fucking Lemmy, man… lol

Fuck all of that. Conservatism is a cancer. Every one of them can go to hell.
Cool. You are the exact extremism that OP is talking about trying to avoid. Congrats.
I’m not interested. You don’t compromise on this. You don’t tolerate it. It’s a cancer. If his preference is to help it metastasize, he is the one to be avoided.
Ok, well good luck and hope ya do better in the next election than you did in the last one.
Nah fuck conservatives.
Refusing to even talk to people on the opposite end of the political spectrum just makes you another perpetuator of the massive political divide. Do you actually think anyone’s had their vote swayed by someone who refused to even talk to them. You’re not going to bring anyone to the left by demonising the right.

Refusing to even talk to people on the opposite end of the political spectrum just makes you another perpetuator of the massive political divide.

Extremely bold of you to assume I haven’t spent the majority of my life talking to them and trying to understand their extremist views.

I finally stopped because, as I said, they’ve lost the benefit of the doubt due to their own words and actions.

How long would you entertain the opinions and actions of Nazis in the name of getting along?

Political divide is things like budget, use of public lands, roads & infrastructure. We’re split on morality, ethics, bigotry, and child rape. A good number of us don’t even bother talking to family members anymore, why would I waste my time trying to converse with the dude who lives up the street from me that has a t-shirt of Donnie surrounded by bikini clad girls and “Chillin’ like a felon”?

Trump is the poster child of chauvinism, bigotry, bravado, greed, deceit, swindle, and zero self-control. His ability to get away with it has emboldened his supports to embrace their worst inclinations and treat their neighbors like Trump does. Granted, they are not Trump, so the average thief, wife beater, or kid diddler still gets arrested, but a lot have figured out they can be blatantly racist, misogynistic, homophobic, or a plain old dick in public and love that there’s no consequences anymore.

I have no interest in winning over people who have no shame, no remorse, and no empathy. Some will come crawling over when the suffering trickles down and finally affects them, but without any self-reflection or moral awakening, they’ll go right back to their old ways as soon as the burden is lifted. Fuck ‘em.

Bro, we don’t want you guys to come over to the left anymore. We want you to stay over there and preferably go back to Russia where you seemed to enjoy the governance and social structure.

There are a lot of “bipartisan” social media communities (at least they self-advertise as such)

There are also social media communities for mainly conservatives.

Surely there can be one form of social media for leftists to talk to each other.

I enjoy reading anarchists and socialists debate their case because I actually agree with points they make.

Some highschooler screaming about how God wants capitalism on the side would contribute anything to the conversation, we already established their ideas don’t work. Let us actually come up with new ones now.

Surely there can be one form of social media for leftists to talk to each other.

Substack.

Substack from my limited experience was a bunch of ChatGPT written sychosis.
i would but they behave too much like conservatives for my taste especially how to they become defensive, and label everything “lib”

screaming about how “God wants capitalism” would not contribute anything to the conversation

We have some of those here too

i was confused at first when i saw moderate/ or reasonable conservatives. almost every conservative ive encountered just make uniformed rants or opinions about trump. my favorite is when they dont know about trumps actual policies and get defensive over being questioned about it,.