What instance has mostly reasonable moderate conservative/liberal people?

https://lemmy.world/post/44496431

What instance has mostly reasonable moderate conservative/liberal people? - Lemmy.World

I came here a few weeks ago after many years of reddit. Altogether I find discussions I enjoy, however, the posts and comments noticeably lean, well, tankie (I didn’t know that term before I came here). It’s not that I am looking for an echo chamber, but I also don’t want to spend my time reading propaganda. I’m really curious about a lot of things outside politics, as well as the opinions and arguments of reasonable people across the political spectrum, but I don’t want to listen to the boring canned lies of fascists and tankies. I realized that people celebrating communist dictators trigger me, and this is something I didn’t have to deal with before I started reading lemmy, I didn’t even know this type existed. I also notice that accounts created just a few hours in advance come from other instances to brigade political posts. Because of how lemmy works, I can block individual users or communities, but not individual instances. Is there an instance that could be a “safe space” from this kind of brigading and tankie spam? Or a way to use the internet to read interesting things now that blogs died and then Reddit became whatever it became?

You can block individual instances, I have a long list of instances that I have blocked.
What I first did is to limit my home feed to ‘subscribed’ only. Doing so, I don’t see anything from communities I’m not already subscribed to. And since I’ve made a rather… careful selection of those communities (from various instances), I seldom have have to deal with low quality content/noise. Making it a lot quicker to remove the occasional nuisance that passes through.

I joined about two years ago, and to get the most content I have kept browsing All, however that is annoying when some new guy decide to set up a new NSFW community outside of the NSFW branded instances and I have to block them individually.

When lemmynsfw existed most people went there to post, but some either didn’t like the instance or didn’t know about it and posted on generic instances.

I don’t want to turn on NSFW filtering in general, as it is used in memes and jokes, but I don’t want porn on my main account, that is what my alt is used for.

I’m a big fan of the subscribed only home feed. I see so much less hateful things since I started doing that.
You’re not alone in this. Just keep blocking the offending communities or instances until your feed’s balance suits you.

but not individual instances.

You can. If you’re using a Lemmy home instance, as you are currently (lemmy.world), in the Web UI, go to your user menu in the upper-right corner, click “Settings”, click the “Blocks” tab, and then you can choose instances to block in a panel there.

If what you want is “I don’t want auth-left stuff”, avoiding hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml can help. You aren’t going to get some kind of ironclad avoidance, but that’ll avoid the great bulk of it. Your home instance is lemmy.world. lemmy.world is defederated with lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net for exactly the reason you mention (in fact, I see people who don’t like lemmy.world because they consider it liberal, which they don’t like) so you already won’t be seeing stuff from the first two instances.

I don’t think I’ve personally seen fascist material on the Threadiverse (though there are some people with quite broad definitions of the term), though there are or were some far-right instances out there, based on defederation lists. Most of what little I’ve seen on the Fediverse seems to me to be on Pleroma, though I haven’t spent much time on non-Threadiverse Fediverse stuff.

moderate conservative

The home instance that I use, lemmy.today, has one user (@[email protected]) that posts a bunch of Trump stuff and a conservative community, [email protected]. I don’t know if your definition of conservative and his match up, but maybe you’d find it to your taste; it’s probably the closest to mainstream US, Republican material that I’ve seen with much activity on the Threadiverse. The instance isn’t going to be just moderate conservative and moderate liberal users though. But, if that’s the kind of community that you might be participating in, I’d imagine that he’d like to have more users.

EDIT: My own personal take is that the long term solution to having people with disparate positions on what content they want to see, above-and-beyond use of moderated communities and admin activity on instances, is to have “curator lists”, where people can basically “share” lists of blocks/subscribes/votes or something like that, and other users can subscribe to them. Then you have a list that — for example — excludes or includes content on various grounds without requiring effort on a per-user-who-wants-curated-content basis. I think that Usenet pretty much established that killfiles don’t really scale well in combating spam and stuff like that, because there was never a mechanism to share killfiles among users. Anyway, today, there isn’t support for something like that on the Threadiverse. I understand that BlueSky has something along those lines.

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I enjoy that you gave a serious and helpful answer.

Posts like that are the ones that keep me here. There are some really dope people here who want to help and inform other people.

What’s sad is often content like this gets labeled as ‘evil’ and then brigaded by users who perceive it as a threat to furthering their political agenda.

Not even lemmy.ml logic. A lot of people on Lemmy would call you a Trump supporter simply because you helped the neighbor. lol The extremism here has been getting really nasty lately.

In mod logs I am seeing a lot more banning for “advocating violence.” I guess the good news about that is that mods are banning people for advocating violence, so there’s that.

It would be important for people to understand that what separates good people from bad people is decency and basic human kindness, not political ideology. In reality, the good people are in the center, and the bad people are on the extremes. Yet, due to the polarization of public discourse, a left leaning person may be convinced that the good people are to the left, and the bad people are to the right from them. If they keep drifting towards the extreme, and keep thinking that everyone to the right is a bad person, eventually they will hate all the decent people in the center, while everyone still to the left from them is an actual monster. Needless to say, the same goes for people who start right leaning and keep drifting to the right. I wish more people realized that the enemies are the extremes on either side, not the moderates on the other side.
Wow, thanks, such a helpful response! I’ll try the web interface for instance blocking. Another sus instance I saw today was blahaj.zone. To clarify, I also didn’t see fascist stuff, I just mentioned it because I felt it important to point out that I also don’t want to see that kind of content. I guess I saw one too many “so you are not a fan of Stalin, you must be fascist” comment today.

Can do it through apps too.

ML is definitely everyone’s first and fav instance to block. A lot of the dumb shit will cut down very quickly just by getting rid of that one.

It’s so funny that the first instance Lemmy users ban is the one of the Lemmy developers lol
It’s not really “funny” but ironic perhaps.

the lemmy devs are very clear about their political views.

anytime you are clear about your political views, you are going to invite others to ban/hate/dismiss you on princple, because most people do not believe in a plurality of viewpoints in 2026.

Funny in a way, not the first thing I’d say about it though. Makes complete sense, the whole idea of Lemmy and the fediverse aligns way more with leftist ideology. It was the first instance I blocked too, it’s very nice to be able to have a nice space with varied opinions without the one big extreme that’s objectively (IMO) bad.
thanks, I found it now. fwiw, I asked Perplexity if I can block instances and was told it can only be done by the admin defederating with them. can’t always trust that thing!
I agree that blocking these instances will dramatically improve your experience.
What’s sus about Blahaj Zone? I’ve always found them to be nice people.
Well he’s looking for conservative content, and we’re a queer instance, so…

There are gay conservatives though. And there are conservatives who support LGBTQIA+ causes.

OP sounds like he’s just tired of the extremism of everything, not just left or conservative. So maybe he’s just a centralist or something.

I tend to not block instances FWIW. I have blocked several communities and found that it works pretty well. For now, browsing /all in lemmy is my preferred view because we just don’t have that many people to keep content coming in the communities I have subscribed to. Plus, it’s more fun to see the variety. Lemmy is small enough still where it’s easier to “opt-out” than there is a need to “opt-in” to limit the noise.

hey, just so you know blahaj.zone is not a tankie instance, it’s an instance aimed at protecting oppressed minorities (it hosts a women-only community, protects LGBT+ users from bigotry, etc.).

I think technically the instance doesn’t take sides in terms of political ideology and is thus not a “political instance”, but the top community on blahaj.zone is vehemently anti-tankie, so I would say they’re the opposite of the people you’re worried about

You can read more about blahaj.zone’s intentions as a space here:

lemmyverse.link/lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/…/14736607

First and foremost, blahaj zone lemmy exists to give a space for queer folk to exist, with their needs explicitly protected as the highest priority, and with a particular focus on the needs of gender diverse folk. Most lemmy instances are not run by trans folk, and whilst many are still inclusive, they don’t always prioritise our needs. Others barely consider trans folk, and react only to the most blatant of bigotry.

We are not a political instance, however political communities have a space here, as does any community that is actively protective of the needs of queer and gender diverse folk. Given the impact of politics on gender diverse folk, that means lots of dialogue and strong opinions exist, and as long as those opinions are honestly held, and not bigoted or exclusive, people are welcome to have and express those opinions here.

For what it’s worth, I am a member of the Greens Party in Australia. I have no time for the middle ground politics of the Australian Labor party, let alone the right wing beliefs of the Australian Liberal party. Yet a community of queer Labor Party aligned folk would fit on blahaj lemmy, because the parties ideologies, are not explicitly anti queer. A community aligned with the Australian Liberal party likely would not have a place here, unless the goal of the community was to work at actively challenging the anti queer policies of the party.

basically you’ll only have issues with blahaj.zone if you’re transphobic, homophobic, etc.

got it, thanks for the explanation. I know nothing about the content and the general crowd over there, but some accounts registered there were definitely brigading political posts over .world, and not in a tasteful way. I don’t have screenshots or names because I blocked them. I’m not saying this is the instance’s fault.
It might be worth adding that there is some backlash on BlueSky for their shared blocklists recently because they can accidentally catch reasonable people or be militarised to deliberately grab extra people. Or at least that’s my take. Personally I now consider a lot of social media along the lines of “if I might not feel comfortable with you around the wife and kids, then a block is reasonable like not inviting you to the next dinner party” and that having a block that you can click through removes a lot of these issues (collapsed post /comment with no title unless you click type thing)
Pretty sure that Donald J. Musk is a Russian Z astroturfer banned from half of Lemmy with multiple accounts under different aliases.
I barely can go a day i the fediverse without my pro-peace socialist democratic views being classified as facism or nazi-apologia.

Could it be cause you say shit like this?

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Great answer. Lemmy lately has had a habit of labeling anything they disagree with as “fascist” or “nazi.” Heck, I’ve seen AP News articles get branded as fascist propaganda, just because they were neutral and didn’t ask for all republicans to be kicked out. lol

It’s worth noting that many people came from Reddit after being banned there or being too extreme leftist.

Anyone who calls Reddit conservative, is out of touch with reality, and just itching for fighting and revolutions. Reddit sucks, but it sure ain’t conservative.

So it’s great to see a well-balanced answer like yours.

Maybe have a look again, as I at least could block instances if I wanted to.

I am happy with only having blocked some communities, though.
Mainly the too US-centric political ones.
Interestingly enough that also got me rid of a large part of the more ridicously exaggerated tankie stuff I encountered before.

None. Because that would mean that humans on Earth are being reasonable.

Have you met people? People are the worst.

people are great if they think you are like them.

once they get a hint of difference of opinion. they lose their shit at you.

Reddit also died. It’s now a museum piece of dead internet theoy.
Piefed makes it much easier to block instances.
I use piefed because it ‘s easy to filter out what I consider noise (aka most political content an all kind of excited people ;)
Are different communities/servers really all that similar? I kinda just assume that people choose a somewhat random instance when they start and stick with it.
That’s what I did, because I didn’t know anything about how it works when I signed up. I guess the big ones near the top of the instance list are more random than smaller ones (reversion to the mean), but even there, mander.xyz users tone seems different to me.

Unfortunately, I think the same effect works both ways. The reasonable people you are seeking will mostly gravitate towards low-effort instances - after all, they are just looking for funny memes. They heard about lemmy as “reddit, but with fewer bots”. They have jobs and hobbies and friends in the real world - all sorts of reasons to care about anything other than the specific instance of a random social media platform they are joining. It is no coincidence that the most tankie users on the most tankie instances oscillate between posting revolutionary content and posting suicide jokes. It will be the rare person who threads the needle of “reasonable enough to have real world perspective, but obsessive enough to create and manage a curated lemmy instance for reasonable people.”

As a pretty middle of the road liberal with a few conservative or libertarian sympathies (but a lot of opinions about auto oriented city planning), I’m afraid we just have to wade through the muck until our communities appear via emergent design. Until then, I like the neoliberal comm.

They heard about lemmy as “reddit, but with fewer bots”. They have jobs and hobbies and friends in the real world - all sorts of reasons to care about anything other than the specific instance of a random social media platform they are joining.

So much this! Not everyone on Lemmy wants their entire life defined by political news. lol

I just like .world because it’s got a simple UI and it’s easy to use. A lot of the other instances are very convoluted UIs, and tend to have exclusive/extremist agendas.
Some are, some aren’t.
I’ve heard of something called Facebook that’s supposed to be quite conservative. But, I’ve never visited it.
Doesn’t seem to relate to anything whatsoever. But yes, anyone who isn’t a tankie is bad, or something.

As someone said, you can block instances but it can be useful to look up an instance on fediseer. It shows endorsements and censures for the instance along with other information:

gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

Fediseer

I find that the trick - or at least the idea - isn’t to go out of the way to avoid such political discussions; it is to seek out spaces with some niche interest. Discussions would then naturally gravitate around the topic of interest, and political discussion usually doesn’t make sense in such a space.

An example topic is anime. Most anime are not political in nature, so commenters in ani.social don’t have the chance to go off-topic and discuss politics.

To use an analogy, let’s say you are a picky eater. You are given some food (think soup, salad, etc), but one of its ingredients is something you don’t like. Rather than try to pick out that one ingredient you dislike bit by bit (which can be tedious), how about adding condiments / dressing / etc to the dish? Enough of those and the taste would change, with the newly-added tastes having overpowered the one you dislike.

In terms of implementation, you basically have to curate your feed somehow. On Lemmy, the straightforward way to do so is to subscribe to topics / communities you are interested in, and participate in just those.

I see your point, and I did spend some time searching for the topics I enjoy, but let’s be honest, there’s not so much traffic. A bunch of niche communities have posts every 1-2 months. So naturally, however you sort, some of the more mainstream content (ie political communities, or political content injected in popular non-political communities) will show up in the feed. Which is not a bad thing in itself, but I just can’t keep reading if the majority of comments are toxic.
“reasonable is not what i describe conservatives, they are everything but that” they are immediately blocked.
My instance defederates all the tankie instances and considers being a tankie a bannable defence, but we’re still very political.

goes on communist website built by communists that got kicked out of reddit i like this, but what about all those communists???

Oh

A new user on my blocklist

It’s a federated platform, it doesn’t operate by the same rules as traditional social media. This is like getting angry that people you don’t like use E-Mail.
You don’t typically see messages from people you don’t like on email.
I’m still gonna pick on you communist but that’s after we’re done with the Nazis.

Friedrich Engels once said: “Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism.” What does “regression into barbarism” mean to our lofty European civilization? Until now, we have all probably read and repeated these words thoughtlessly, without suspecting their fearsome seriousness. A look around us at this moment shows what the regression of bourgeois society into barbarism means. This world war is a regression into barbarism. The triumph of imperialism leads to the annihilation of civilization. At first, this happens sporadically for the duration of a modern war, but then when the period of unlimited wars begins it progresses toward its inevitable consequences. Today, we face the choice exactly as Friedrich Engels foresaw it a generation ago: either the triumph of imperialism and the collapse of all civilization as in ancient Rome, depopulation, desolation, degeneration – a great cemetery. Or the victory of socialism, that means the conscious active struggle of the international proletariat against imperialism and its method of war. This is a dilemma of world history, an either/or; the scales are wavering before the decision of the class-conscious proletariat. The future of civilization and humanity depends on whether or not the proletariat resolves manfully to throw its revolutionary broadsword into the scales. In this war imperialism has won. Its bloody sword of genocide has brutally tilted the scale toward the abyss of misery. The only compensation for all the misery and all the shame would be if we learn from the war how the proletariat can seize mastery of its own destiny and escape the role of the lackey to the ruling classes.

This was Rosa Luxemburg in 1915. The regression into barbarism was brutal. Lets not lose sight of “the only compensation for the misery and all the shame”

It appears our bourgeois have decided barbarism is the way. Good Quote.

No, you got the wrong message

The bourgeoisie don’t have the option to decide. They have to go with barbarism or there won’t be a bourgeoisie anymore. They cannot choose socialism ever, it’s scientifically impossible. They’d have to become class traitors first. Commit class suicide. Only then, when they are no longer bourgeoisie can they choose. Here is great excerpt of “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific” by Engels that talks about Robert Owen who experienced this first hand (and who eventually committed class suicide very much to his credit) www.marxists.org/glossary/people/o/w.htm#owen

Glossary of People: Ow

A page in the Encyclopedia of Marxism

Thank you for the explanation. I hadn’t had my first coffee yet. I catch your drift now.
oh not at all, it’s an easy mistake to make when someone isn’t versed in communist terminology.
I might have skipped the majority of communist theory except a few excerpts here and there. But I’m here to learn.