@BruceMirken we pay US$0.0938/kWh to charge our Ioniq5 and our Anker F3800 & F3800 Plus batteries for our Home Power Panel time-of-use system. We charge both at night, when the energy source is hydro, wind and grid #BESS from solar. During the day, we use the batteries and we have solar photovoltaics and small vertical axis wind turbines to reduce grid usage when natural gas might be used on the grid. No one should have needed a war to show them the economics of renewables and BESS.

@jadp @BruceMirken the problem is, those who most need the savings are those who can least access them. Rich people don't care about destroying the planet. For poor people, it's a lot harder to get an electric car than a gas one, and renters generally don't get to install charging stations or solar panels. My fear is that instead of our ruling classes actually investing more in making renewables accessible to all, people who can't afford them rn are just going to be priced out of transportation

@raphaelmorgan @jadp Actually, plug-in or balcony solar is becoming more available and can be simple and pretty inexpensive. The U.S., of course, had policies to make EVs more affordable that Trump tossed in the trash. That said, there are some quite affordable used EVs now.

@BruceMirken @jadp I'm really tired of people going "actually, this is totally accessible and affordable!" when I can't afford things. I forgot about balcony solar when making this post, but not when assessing my ability to afford it. Have you seen any that are less than $100 (total, both panel and generator) and won't fall apart within a year? How about less than $50? What's affordable to you is *not* affordable to everyone. It's not affordable to me. I make ~$400/month.

@BruceMirken @jadp and yeah, electric cars can be inexpensive comparatively, if we're talking used ones at dealerships. Not everyone can afford to buy a car at a dealership, either bc money or bc of their credit score. People in my circles often have to buy cars from the side of the road for less than $1000--I haven't seen any electric cars on offer like that, but I'll definitely try to get one if I do

@raphaelmorgan @jadp Well, if your budget is $1,000, it's hard to get a decent car in any configuration. Tough situation.

@BruceMirken @jadp Yeah. Some of us don't have the privilege of picking a decent car--we need to get to work, public transit is inaccessible, and our last piece of junk is no longer getting us to work. So we find something that can.
Now, anyone in that situation, when gas prices go up enough, gets to a point where we'd save money by not working at all (unless we're lucky enough to find a job in walking or biking distance). Hence my original "I fear poor people will be priced out of transport"